
I can’t take it any more. Jay Rosen sent me an article by the Washington Post public editor that said the folks in the newsroom don’t like Dan Froomkin because he’s too liberal, and they’re miffed that the Technorati tags on their articles lead to bloggers who criticize them.
Where do we start.
Number one, Dan Froomkin’s column is often the only thing worth reading in the Washington Post, the one thing they’re managed to do right as they crawl their way out of the 18th century amidst a series of spectacularly bad decisions that have blown their credibility and set them in lockstep with the wooly mammoth. So the reporters don’t like the guff they’re taking from bloggers? I fucking bet they don’t. But that’s what you get when you set the bar so low the only people who stick around are the ones who can limbo under it.
Take today’s offering by Jim VandHei and Carol Leonnig. I got about half way through and I thought "you know, they’re getting better, this isn’t at all bad." Then they hit a speed bump:
Novak wrote that Luskin told her the tip set in motion a cycle of events that led Rove and his lawyers to search phone logs and other material.
No, she didn’t. What she said was it "led him to do an intensive search for evidence that Rove and Matt had talked." But now that you mention it, what about the phone log? Did that disappear into the either too along with the Hadley email until Rove recovered from his nasty bout of the memory-sucking flu? The naturally incurious mind of the reporters triumphs with a galling lack of pursuit.
But then they really go into turbo-charged absurdity:
A lawyer close to the case said Luskin has contended the conversation happened before Rove’s first appearance before the grand jury in February 2004, when he testified he did not recall discussing Plame with Cooper. Luskin refused to comment. A spokesman for Rove’s defense said in a statement that Rove is cooperating and that private discussions with the prosecutor will not be discussed publicly.
One possible explanation of why the date is so important is that Luskin could contend it would have been foolish for Rove to try to cover up his role when he knew — because of Novak’s disclosure to Luskin — that a number of people knew he had talked to Cooper and that it probably would soon become public.
OH MY GOD CAN YOU UNHOOK YOUR MOUTH FROM ROVE’S KNOB LONG ENOUGH TO MENTION THAT THIS MAKES NO SENSE?!!
Now for all I know this is exactly what happened in a defense that seems to have been cobbled together by contestants at some regional Dust-off huffing championship. But to throw it up without question is not journalism, it’s not even stenography, it’s cretinism. You have to have an extra chromosome floating around somewhere to sit there muttering "uh huh, uh huh, oh…good point" when someone is spinning you that kind of fish tale.
As Atrios commented about one of the WaPo’s previous remedial offerings:
The WaPo article linked above is just gibberish. Basically Luskin or someone else runs to the press screaming "this is great for my client" no matter what the news is and the journalists feel obliged to try to make that spin fit the facts even when it makes no sense.
Isn’t it about time to point out that Robert Luskin has spent the past few years lying to the Washington Post? Rather than pointing this out, they write a glowing, four page testimonial to his unwavering genius. And then they wonder why we mock them furiously.
There are only a few outlets that receive leaks from official government sources, and the public must look to them for what meager information we are dribbled. That we become enraged at the obtuseness and opacity of the reporting is completely predictable, and I’m sorry we’re not here to quietly applaud bimbo journalism that cares more about its own perpetuation than it does any responsibility it has as a fourth estate. If you long ago stopped caring about serving the public interest, fine, don’t be surprised when the public grows contentious and turns on you.
What the WaPo writers are viewing through their Technorati tags is only a tiny crumb of a rage that threatens to sweep them into irrelevance. If they care about the preservation of superstar journalists and the politics of access above all else they blind themselves to the sea change that is taking place in how information is exchanged.
Dan Froomkin is the future. They say they want to balance him out by adding a conservative voice? That’s great, just what the Mighty Wurlitzer needs, another outlet. As I’ve said before, this isn’t about right vs. left, it’s about people on both sides who are sick of the machine. One step forward, six steps back. Outside the fucking box, that lot.
It won’t be long before the WaPo honchos wish they’d sent Bob Woodward and his embarrassing apologies packing before he dragged them down into 8-track tape anachronism. I dare them to take a look at the bulk of the last year’s offerings on the CIA leak and do anything other than groan. The reporting is execrable and the dot connection worse. They’ve handed the keys to the kingdom to the village idiots and they shouldn’t be stunned when bloggers merely point that out.
Update: Froomkin responds: "The journalists who cover Washington and the White House should be holding the president accountable. When they do, I bear witness to their work. And the answer is for more of them to do so — not for me to be dismissed as highly opinionated and liberal because I do."
Crooks & Liars also weighs in.
Digby: "The DC press corps has no idea how they look to the rest of the country after more than a decade of running with GOP trumped up scandals, pimping for impeachment, trivializing the effects of an unorthodox presidential election in 2000, and then saluting smartly and following Dick Cheney over the cliff on Iraq." Oh yeah.
(graphic by Monk at Inflatable Dartboard)



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WaPo shouldn’t be racing with The Washington Times in the corrupt Bush-Cheney lap dog contests. WaPo should be quarantining the rabid Bush, Cheney, and Times dogs together in one small kennel and documenting their fascist dog fights. Why should the admitted white supremacists of Times editors be respected? A former Times production dept. Moonie employee bragged that he lived next door to a black Mr. Bush who was fired as a White House gardener by Barbara Bush when he tried to speak to her about her in-laws OWNING his family generations ago. WaPo may have reported this in the 1980s and should have pestered W. about this in 2000 and 2004! The white Luciferian Bushes have corrupt personal financial reasons for opposing slave reparations,
I noticed that the HuffPo version of this refers to ROVE’S FAX MACHINE rather than ROVE’S KNOB (which occurs in this version and is much better).
My comment hasn’t yet appeared, yet later comments have. So I guess the word “knob” is a no-no at HuffPo?
The comments list at the WaPo site regarding Froomkin is in the many hundreds-they don’t have a counter so it’s hard to know for sure. There sure as hell a ton of outrage over this. Thanks Jane for pointing it out. Some amazing posts.
Rock On.
Froomkin has been called a “liberal” by the WaPo (R-Rag) ombudsman.
If being a liberal means to be open-minded, broadminded, flexible, tolerant and laissez-faire, than I guess Froomkin needs to get his act togetherÂ…Â…
Shape up, Mr. Froomkin and become more blinkered and bigoted like the rest of your colleagues. Start putting your pen to the paper and strive for a more narrow-minded view. In your on-line columns, try using the new Lock-Step font, perhaps! Times New Roman, BIG AND BOLD, or, Baskerville, or Bookman Old-Style or Jackboot Gothic Brown so you can fit in more with the other Goudy Stout writers! If you arenÂ’t sure of your sources, use the Comic-Sans font so your co-workers will know you are writing in Uni-code! Only then, Mr. Froomkin, can your column make a fine line Impact with Lucida, Arial and Tahoma and become a Dark Courier like your ombudsman wants you to be!
Nice job, Jane.
This WaPo column made me shake my head.
For starters, it mystifies me that this ranks as an ombudsman column.
My understanding was always that an ombudsman represented readers, not reporters and editors. If I read this correctly, the dissatisfaction about Froomkin’s alleged liberal bias comes from inside the Post. It ought to be dealt with internally and not in a column.
Howell shows poor journalistic skills when she calls Froomkin’s column ‘highly opinionated and liberal.’ She reports as fact that his column leans left, even though he denies it. Without consensus, she shouldn’t do that. Or she should make it clear that this is opinon of some, rather than the God’s truth for all.
Saying something doesn’t make it so. That’s one of my biggest beefs with our public discourse. People in general and conservatives in particular seem to believe that the mere utterance of something makes it a fact. It doesn’t. Howell presents Froomkin’s alleged liberal bent as fact, but is too lazy, too sloppy or too stupid to shore up her argument with evidence.
Also, I really, really can’t believe how major news organizations continue to fall into the following trap: If you oppose Bush, you’re liberal; if you support him, you’re conservative.
I’d guess that Chuck Hagel, John McCain and Richard Lugar would blanch at being called liberal, yet all rightly have criticized Administration policies and performance on certain issues. It seems that often, when the mainstream media reports opposition to Bush, they attribute all of it to Democrats, rather than pointing out that this White House has pissed off certain elements within the GOP. Lazy reporting. Lazy thinking.
She claims that Froomkin’s column is popular. I have no problem believing that. But here’s a dirty secret about newsrooms: many reporters and editors hate to see a colleague succeed. Whether it’s a new computer or a Pulitzer, the first thought of most journalists is ‘Why didn’t I get what so and so has? He/she is not so great!” So I’m sure part of this public criticism indicates a spillover of professional envy. It’s petty. It’s shitty. It’s unprofessional. But there it is.
Finally, I think news organizations need to stop knuckling under to conservatives’ complaints about bias. For a party that considers itself tough and uncompromising, the GOP spends an inordinate amount of time playing victim. For a party that hates quotas and ‘identity politics,’ it spends an inordinate amount of time trying to infest news organizations with right-wing journos. And the mainstream media wastes time, money and brainpower enabling this behavior.
There are a lot of other things wrong with Howell’s piece. But others here have covered it better – and more briefly – than I could.
super post Jane thanks!
I wouldn’t worry too much about the WaPo getting rid of Froomkin. He’s just too popular. (He has just a ridiculous number of supportive comments over at the Post blog right now. Huge number.) Even though their bread may not be buttered at the website now, they can see into the future. They know the future of newspapers is digital. And if they are smart, they also know the future of newspapers lies in truthtelling.
E.J. Dionne unlocked this whole thing. They were covering up until after the election so dingbat’s election chances wouldn’t be damaged by this scandal. All the timelines make sense, at least to me, if you factor that in. It was all about delaying discovery until after the election.
On stenographic journalism. I’m an old timer and a snob. I regard these guys as second-raters. They couldn’t make it in my business, which is also investigative, though on a slower time-table, and they are no more or probably less talented than dozens if not hundreds of journalists working in small-town papers all over the US. They think they are somebody because they nose up.
When I was a grad student many long years ago, we looked down on these guys and girls, if we knew any, which sometimes we did. They weren’t good enough to get into the good schools or good programmes, and when you read their stuff, you know why. Last week I was in Washington and had dinner with A(-) list people from the present and the past administration. These are people who actually got where they are by their achievement, not by sucking up.
It’s very sick. The genius of the modern Republican party has been in knowing how to exploit that sickness.
End of the thread, but I fired off my letter to the Ombudsman before I read the comments. Furious. Let her know what I thought of the ethics of most White House “reporters” who are more interested in their access, power, and money that in reporting the truth.
Dan Froomkin IS the only part of the Post worth reading, and when his column isn’t up by 1:00 p.m. I start to feel cold and shivery. How can the Post not understand that their political writers (and those at other papers) are completely compromised by their apparent need to feel “wanted” by Washington’s powerbrokers? I’m sick to death of hearing about all these breakfasts, lunches, dinners, and glasses of wine that so-called reporters share with politicos. Apparently the bacon grease, carbs, and/or the alcohol is seriously damaging their brains. “I don’t when it was!” “I don’t know where we were!” “I don’t know what he said!”
The WaPo is a company paper in a one-industry town — always was.
The reason All The President’s Men caught fire was because it was unusual.
“Man Bites Dog”, remember?
The level of WaPo sucking up under Nixon before Watergate was every bit as sickening as the present coverage, people just don’t remember it.
Went shopping for a few headlines from WaPo’s John Harris in regards to George Bush; this is a small sampling I turned up:
President Outlines War on Terrorism, Demands Bin Laden Be Turned Over – 21-SEP-01
For Bush, New Emergencies Ushered in a New Agenda – 22-SEP-01
Shirtsleeves Style is a Strong Suit for Bush – 16-AUG-2004
An Ambitious President Advances His Idealism – 21-JAN-05
Ugh. Makes me want to heave. And I didn’t even gather but these few.
Daily Howler already had already gone in this direction:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h050901_1.shtml
So did Robert Parry: A Quisling Press Corps
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/050701a.html
There must be an unwritten rule in DC that once one has access, gains entre to the VRWC’s team, one acquires f8cking monster kneepads.
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JC — yes, there’s a MASSIVE story here; we address only that part of the iceberg we see above the water, knowing there is much below. And yes, this very much is a conspiracy whose members agreed to take different components and disseminate from their realm of expertise. Libby, by way of the VP’s office, discusses the issue of Niger and yellowcake. Rove, by way of the POTUS’ office, whisper-campaigns about Wilson’s wife. (Somebody as yet unidentified provides both with the original leak, of course, setting them in motion.) But neither Libby nor Rove say exactly the same thing or disclose the same information in the same way. The intent, however, is the same: discredit that which migh squelch the run-up to war or the subsequent operation of the war in progress. We’re not even sure with absolute certainty that Wilson was the target; it could have been Plame, could have been Brewster Jennings. Could have been something else lying just beneath.
In any case, we hope that Fitz will do as he did in Illinois — start with something small and let the rest of the investigation continue once first indictments have been handed down. We’ll eventually get to the bottom of the iceberg.
Remember that Ms. Plame only just retired this past week (congrats to her on what I hope will be a liberating new phase in her life)…a lot of things are going to change and soon.
Gosh, Jane, don’t you recognize the Chewbacca defense when you see it??
After watching Hardball and the segment with vander- and nora, I think the main message that came across was our favorite host asking why we shouldn’t hold Bush and Cheney personally responsible for the whole mess, from the misleading statements leading to war to knowledge and direction of the strategies for slamming the critics who tried to expose that — and both Vander- and Nora essentially agreeing, but arguing that there was still no direct public evidence of a specific crime.
But the host persisted: why shouldn’t we hold the Pres and the Vice personally responsible for the fact that there was no true investigation in the WhiteHouse of the Plame leak? Why aren’t they responsible for McClennan being sent out to lie about it? The WH didn’t do an investigation did they? Both Vander- and Nora said “NO.” That’s what the public heard tonight.
I think the public will have as hard a time as I do of following the details of the V. Novak/Luskin conversation and whether it helps/hurts, but I think the overall message about Administration culpability, with Rove and Cheney as the point attack dogs, came through clearly. So I’m not that worried about how well Vander- keeps the facts straight.
Moreover, I fear the Novak/Luskin play has been a rather unimportant side show, a distraction. We’re so focused on the effort to nail Rove and not let him slide, we forget the bigger picture. Where did the leakers find out about Plame’s status? Who saw the famous State Dept memo that revealed her status on the plane to Africa? Was there then a meeting in which the principals decided on the Wilson/Plame stategy, who was in that metting, and did these people know about Plame’s status from the memo? These seem to me far more important “details” than the Luskin spin conversations. Why aren’t we talking about these?
Jane,
A fan posts. I admire your writing tremendously. I haven’t enjoyed political journalism and commentary as much since the heyday of Hunter Thompson. I know you appreciate the high praise that comparison intends.(Of course, your style is your own, and not derivative of Mr. Thompson’s).
Keep up the great work. I’ve bought my firedoglake coffee cup… makes me feel like a member of the club.
The link to Froomkin’s response that Jane posted has an area for reader comments (info just in case someone hasn’t discovered that). http://blogs.washingtonpost.co…..t-12042257
I left comment, and noticed some familar names over there. I hope that the Ombudsman and the “political reporters” at WaPo soon discover that they have backed bare ass into a hornet’s nest.
Go get ‘em.
I think print media is loosing traction fast. It’s so 20th century, as my students would say. If educated, discerning readers stop buying papers, the plummeting circulation numbers will take a nose-dive from which there will be no recovery. And they will turn, as they are already doing, to the internet. This may not be the death rattle, but I sense a certain desperation.
We lost a great editorial columnist in the LA Times, Robert Sheer. The so-called reason was “scaling back” to reflect revenue losses. I’d heard they were promising to dump Michael Ramirez, the most hack-like of the rignt-wing cartoonists, in a measure of “balance.” Not only has this not happened, but they’ve brought Jonah Goldberg on board! Of course, in an “only-in-LA” kinda gesture, Barbra Streisand announced she’s discontinuing her subscription, in protest.
Vandehei=HACK.
The Post had the audacity to have him report on the DeLay/Ambramoff scandal even though he’s married to an ex DeLay staffer who was in DeLay’s employ during all this shit.
They need to clean up their print house before they go after Froomkin.
The obvious hackery and pandering for access shown by WaPo reporters is disgusting and obvious.
This constant reporter spin cycle is so frustrating.
But…..at this point the wash is almost done.
No matter what the Neocons say or do, they are so fucked.
The train has left the station, Baby.
Keith Olbermann sometimes has Jim VandenHei as a guest on his show. As good as Olbermann is, he rarely challenges his guests on what they say. If Olbermann has VandenHei on his show, he should press him about what he had written about Luskin.
I just want to put in a good word for “nob” without the “k”.
Nob is a perfectly respectable British slang term for a cock.
Let me just say for the record — they get rid of Froomkin’s column, I’m opening up a whole new level of whoop ass. He is the sole, consistent voice of accountability for the WH and Congress (no matter the party of the person in question in a particular matter), and the WaPo just shot itself in the foot by not comprehending how much the general public appreciates candor over kiss assedness.
Here’s hoping they are learning just how much a mistake that was.
posted at frroomkin site earlier:
john harris:
“the title invites confusion. it dilutes our only asset — our credibility.”
translation:
froomkin is being disloyal.
his column points up our deficiences in reporting and reminds readers that there are othere credible sources available to them apart from articles by our political reporters.
statement:
apart from pincus, the washington post political reporters and columnist have no credibility with me whatsoever.
how could anyone take harris’ complaint seriously?. what kind of reader would be coonfused for more than a minute or two. and if confused momentarily , what could possibly be the negative consequences?
oh, i get it. karl has been complaining to harris.
has harris ever confused readers by, say, omitting relevant facts he knew that a source would be unhappy or an editor might lodge a complaint?
sophistry, like this from harris, is the common stuff of internal organizational debates and is intended to diminish and discipline an individual member of the organization. you see the same sophistry in corporations and universities.
with political reporting especially, the behavior of editors like harris has had disasterous consequence on the acuity and crticial nature of what gets reported, especially from this white house.
having “disciplinary actions” like this hanging over your head is precisley why the washington post political reporting staff engages in the mushy, timid, butt-sniffing political reporting they do.
and it is why the post increasingly fails to serve the public need for critical information about government.
this matter, of course, will be resolved by conflict-avoiding editors who will sever the baby’s body and declare the problem solved.
i would add:
it speaks very poorly for the new wapo omnsbudsman that she would support this kind of undermining of froomkin.
Posted by: orionATL | Dec 12, 2005 6:43:10 PM
They are getting a serious dose of the word over there at the WaPo. I would encourage a multiple pronged strategy. Post supportive messages to Froomkin’s comments page… And slam on Howell and Harris on their comments page (linked to at the top left of Froomkin’s comments)
The imbalance shows… Froomkin has at least 100 supporters already posted… Howell and Harris have less than 6 combined.
The Stenographers are worried about reader confusion. I suspect that means White House reader confusion. So give them what they want:
change the name from White House Briefing to Washington (or Beltway) Debriefing.
…
new thread: “Tough Choices…”
zennurse –
You are correct about not trusting anything emanating from the mouth or pen of VandeHei.
He and his side-kick Carol L. reported that a grand jury vote on indictment needs to be unanimous. Jeesh. How stupid IS stupid?!? Even I knew that was false as false can be, and I ain’t no freakin’ journalist! Bah!
I trust Fitzgerald, too.
And your personal advice, I trust that. It’s always good. :-)
Froomkin rocks and the jerks at the Post donÂ’t have the guts to mess with him.
As usual the only editorializing you get stinks like so much B.S. The administration probably started whining about the audacity of Dan actually using facts on which to base his columns and this forced the Post to remove itÂ’s nose from DubÂ’s ass long enough to gasp for air by belittling the title of FroomkinÂ’s column.
The web based edition of the Post is new and needs the traffic which Froomkin helps to generate, whereas the newspaper edition is old and established and the media whores will ride it into the ground with the same mismanagement the auto industry applied to their dismal failure.
Personally I think the Washington Post would be further ahead to change their name to DubyaÂ’s Fairy Tales.
Mrs. K8, one foot in front of the other, step, step, step, breathe. Think of you often.
I’m interested in Vanderhei saying something should be happening before the New Year. do we believe he knows what he’s talking aobut? He’s been all over the place with the facts, so I’m turning this one over to Fitz and trusting his judgement. I don’t want him to act before he is ready with all the t’s crossed. Thank goodness he’s not spinnable. We have to be patient for the good stuff in life.
But I’m running out for ice cream in any event!
Oh and thanks for the reminder about Bobby. I had totally forgotten.
It is time to Re-Imagine the 4th Estate.
Blogs and Video-Blogs are now the medium
of the message. Encourage all to start buying
laptops to access info on the go 24-7.
WiFi is the open highway–
Deconstruction of the MSM 24-7
Praise the MSM reporters who have integrity.
Bombard those who don’t with e-mail—-
Expose of the inter-connected incestous webs of the MSM with their sources.
It is open war on the 4th Estate that fails to be
the watchdog to our fragile Democracy.
Jane and Reddhead —thanks again
maybe Luskin will get an indictment- if he tried to lie about when he met with Novak.
Always a bad idea for a defense attorney to become one of the witnesses- that leads do him becoming one of the defendants!
rwcole, “POOL BOY” I love it…..LMAO!
ah well, if I ever find a genie in a magic lantern one of my wishes will be for all the MSMers to be replaced by all my favorite bloggers…then we’ll see the fur fly…
later gaters
Norske –
Yes, yes, yes! I’m so damned starved for justice, I’m starting to salivate just like our pupster at a very choice treat.
We need to be fed some serious justice. The “let them eat cake” crowd has forgotten its high school history class.
Why the hell does he keep getting invited back? He knows NOTHING!
rwcole
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how true…it’s obvious that vanderhei has no sense of shame..the WaPo people probably use their clout to get him hired for these gigs just to get him out from under foot
Forgive the Carvillism, but “This is waw!”
rwcole – Now you can be a media executive. Congrats.
Ack!!! Calgon take me away!!!
(See ya later tonight, I’ll be looking for my Humor Has It … Snort My Drink comment award to hand out :)
zennurse –
Oh, you most wonderful woman, you! I love, love, love it! You should definitely do it more often.
This pool boy guy has been on the tube nearly daily since the traitorgate thing broke. He has NEVER had any information to add to the discussion.
Why the hell does he keep getting invited back? He knows NOTHING!
i tend to think Shuster has it right. at the last minute, Luskin threw out the Novak conversation as having taken place in fall 04 as an explanation for the email discovery and Rovers last testimony…as many here have said…placing the conversation earlier makes NO sense from the standpoint of helping Rover or his lawyer
“But that’s what you get when you set the bar so low the only people who stick around are the ones who can limbo under it.”
Don’t you mean SLITHER under it????
P.S. Whatever the range and number a charges this round, things are gunna really speed up once Rove’s fat ass is in the pan.
This whole Luskin/Novak thing is so twisted that I don’t think anyone has made sense of it! It’s like an elaborate argument with a miscast premise that leads to the conclusion that the world ate itself two years ago.
If one of the premises is screwed up- I would suggest looking at the “this helps Rove” premise for starters.
Try this–It HURTS Rove- why? Cause it shows that his attorney knew (and therefore Rove knew) that it was known by many at the Washington Post that Rove was Coopers source at the VERY SAME time that Rove was saying he never discussed it with Cooper.
Later he claimed that he “just forgot” that he talked to Cooper–but his lawyer knew at the time that he had.
Now doesn’t the whole thing make more sense?
Umm . . . I was basically snarking about Froomkin getting fired — but the truth is, reporters get promoted for supporting the corporate media agenda; and those who don’t, well . . .
Mrs. K8,
ROFLMAO, yes indeed! Now that the mis-direction Kabuki of Luskin/Rove has spun itself out (unless they ken gin up another “exculpatory” e-mail) I am lookin for Fitz ta be in front a the GJ before the end a the week. I bet that in addition ta Rove there are gunna be multiple indictments for purgery, false statements and obstruction in this round. Look for some journalists to be “mentioned” this time, maybe as unindicted co-conspirators.
MRs K8 – i can’t see anyway in which the analogy breaks down, that’s for sure
Comment at WaPo pre- John Harris response (to overwhelmingly pro-Dan response):
“Ms. Howell is worried that Dan Froomkin will keep her from getting invited to the best parties and events, by pushing the WaPo to the left. Her worry is not unfounded, however it is Woodward and his misty relationship with the truth she should be complaining about, not our friend Dan. WHB is one of the few places in current political reporting where truth speaks to power. With other reporters attached firmly to the posteriors of the Bush administration, we in the reading public deserve a source of truthful information and links in order to obtain facts and opinions about issues affecting our dialy lives. This Swiftboating attempt is undignified and inappropriate; Dan does his job and gives us what we want. Clearly, from the above, Howell does not. Get back to work, Deborah, and let’s not have any more whining, young lady.”
Post Harris’ response:
“Mr. Harris’ response is appreciated,, but color me doubtful. He tells us he reads Froomkin as coming from a liberal bias, but I would suggest to Mr. Harris the obvious- that he is read this way because addressing the truths of this administration and the facts on the ground in DC, any conservative will bristle at all the bad news. If Dan Froomkin is causing problems for other reporters, I believe it has more to do with the truth emerging in the pages of the Washington Post and that the paper is percieved as less of a Bush shill than it has been historically. If WaPo reporters “can’t handle the truth”, they should either learn from Froomkin or move to a small town paper where they can be the big fish in a little pond. It is beyond my realm of belief that this has anything to do with the name of Dan’s column; rather, this has everything to do with office sniping and petty jealousies and competition. With the multitude of issues swirling in Our Capitol, I would expect the management at the Washington Post would tell the children to go sit in the naughty chair and get over themselves.”
Posted by: zennurse | Dec 12, 2005
don’t do this much, it’s fun!
I agree with Grampa’s view of this — the trickle down approach to truth. Just keeping dribbling out concessions when you have to, but never admit you lied in the first place. The non-critical press then reports each piece without thinking — as in today’s WaPo — and before you know it, the country’s mindset has been shifted to accept the new facts without blame.
We’re seeing the same thing in the succession of the President’s speeches on Iraq. Feed raw meet to the faithful the first time, then concede a few points by indirection in the next speech, then admit that maybe 30,000 Iraqi’s have been killed today. But never admit that your original view that justified the fiasco was dangerously wrong, let alone suggest you should be held accountable.
A possible theory of the Plame leak is that no one ever leaked the unadorned identity all in one piece. The plan was to dribble it out. The cabal agreed to dribble a piece of info to one reporter, another piece to another, and yet another to someone else. Then just let them all talk to each other, as in Cooper to V. Novak, or Woodward to his colleagues, etc. Sooner or later, someone completely unscrupulous, like R. Novak, just puts it all together and prints it as though it was one story. But no one in the WH can be charged with telling the whole story to anyone. Just another version of plausible deniability.
The conspiracy worked, and the coverup is still going on.
Anyone check out the comments over at Froomkin’s blog? It’ll warm the cockles of your heart.
You all realize that when Rover is indicted, all the MSM players are going to be saying they were right all along, and act as if the past two years or so never happened.
And, in addition, they are then going to go on the same circle jerk as Fitz sets his sights on the higher ups in the conspiracy: Chimpy this, and Dark Lord that; But she’s a concert level pianist, dammit!!!!!!!, Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
puzzled –
Ok, so now this is the White House alibi?
“So sorry, Mr. Prosecutor, that we failed to comply with TWO subpoenas. You see, we were so very busy with a political campaign. And you know, that takes precedence over a serious matter of compliance with the law.”
Hah!
so, maybe i don’t understand the role of the public ombudsman? (naive brit). is howell’s institutional role to pass notes between cowards in the WP newsroom or is she supposed to represent the interests of the public?
Norah – ‘why did they lie?’
why indeed, norah
puzzled –
Absolutely right about VandeHei.
Still, I really like my analogy, don’t you? ;-)
ohmygod…norah just claimed that one reason they didn’t find the email was because they were busy with the reelection campaign…and she said this with a straight face
There goes Norah O’Donnel shilling for the Bushies…She never gives up!
Gravatar With respect to “pool boy,” the first time I heard it was at the start of this thread from Jane Hamsher.
John Casper
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it’s perfect in everyway..well done
Mrs K8…given the nature of his past reporting, for Vanderhei to say that it sounds ‘foggy’ is tantamount to admitting Rover’s alibi is laughable
The WaPo ombudsman needs her job description read aloud — slowly — to her. The position was created (I’m a longtime reader) to provide readers with a forum to criticize editorial decisions. If Howell is spending her time with crybaby stenographer employees unhappy at the success of Dan’s blog, she needs to be fired.
Time for a new ombudsman!
With respect to “pool boy,” the first time I heard it was at the start of this thread from Jane Hamsher.
Frank P. – I absolutely, posifuckingtively agree. Call the bluff. And if they don’t, then they just want to be stenographers – it is the “smoking gun.” A two year old could figure out they have the upper hand in this.
My husband was just asking me this morning how Viveca’s story could be seen as helpful to Rove.
Well, I said, because it’s some evidence that Rove forgot. That is, he didn’t tell his lawyer. And I suppose he DID tell his lawyer about talking with Novak, so it’s not like he was just denying everything to his lawyer.
But then when you read the details of what Luskin is saying–that his conversation with Viveca was BEFORE Rove’s first testimony to the Grand Jury, this excuse makes NO SENSE AT ALL.
How could Luskin let Rove go before the Grand Jury and say he didn’t talk with Cooper AFTER Luskin’s conversation with Viveca? Did he not tell Rove? WTF?
The WaPo has NERVE….my letter to Dan..cc’d to Ol Deb;
Dear Dan,
I must tell you that your column is the only thing I come to the post to read. I find it offensive that the (so-called) reporters are complaining about it, (jealous of the hits the column gets?) As I wrote to the ombuds(woman) yesterday, I find your posts to be incredibly informative, and you always provide important links that contain valuable information. You actually make up for all the egregious reporting done by others at the Post. As for transparency, I find your work and integrity above reproach. How dare those reporters criticize your column, when they themselves are the masters of NON-DISCLOSURE….Take for instance, Jim VandeHei…who has been writing article after article about the CIA leak investigation, with a right leaning slant. Has he disclosed … that his wife is a former congressional staffer for Tom DeLay. Apparently that makes her a Republican. We “could” assume from that, many of Mr. VandeHei’s sourcing’s are from “right wing ideologues” WHY…has Mr VandeHei never disclosed this? All those times he appeared on MSNBC and other news outlets to display his upcoming articles NEVER ONCE has he disclosed, this VERY pertinent information. I think ALL of the DC “insider” reporters need to do some VERY SERIOUS soul searching……The bloggers are WAY ahead of them on disseminating information. After the Woodward debacle, the Post had better think twice before doing ANYTHING with your column…unless of course they want to lose more readers.
lusking tring to convince Fitz it would be foolish for Rover to give his Feb 04 testimony if he knew folks at Time were buzzing about Rover…it all sounds ‘very foggy;
puzzled –
Sounds “foggy”?
I’ll tell you what it sounds like to me. It sounds like the perp caught standing over the body with a smoking gun, saying, “Gee, I simply HAVE to be innocent, Mr. Prosecutor. Would I have this smoking gun in my hand if I were GUILTY? How stupid would that be?”
That’s what it sounds like to me.
My bet: A dollar to a doughnut that the White House’s anonymous “sources” (i.e. liars) have told their WaPo stenographers to put pressure on Froomkin. I’ll bet they’re threatening them with loss of access. Frankly, I think the Post should just call their bluff. It’s not like their reporting is going to suffer if the White House suddenly refuses to lie to them.
Not enough cocktail weinie consumption.
colleen military mom
Froomkin eschews Kool-Aid, too, apparently.
pool boy…haha…good one…that really fits
well, heck…last week on Tweety Shuster says the Novak Luskin talk took place in fall 04 right before the email was er discovered, today Tweet’s pundits are back to placing the conversation months earlier…
do these people wake up in a different world everyday???
That’s GOOD news about Diebold, if true. I have been predicting that some sludge would start seeping out of that particular black hole soon. Can’t wait to see what that one might produce.
Pool Boy is also STILL shilling Luskin’s I heard about it in January ‘theory”., on Hardball right now.
Norah O’Donnell just tried to shoot a hole in it, but was inept in doing so.
Shez –
Thanks for the follow-up. Seriously, if they kick Froomkin out, I will make it my life’s mission to scream about WaPo everywhere. (I mean, much louder than I ALREADY do.) We should rise up, as one, and assail them, vigorously, with the truth.
And not let up, not once, until they cry “uncle.”
norah pointing out screwball nature of how Rover did what he did IF Novak Luskin conversation occurred before Feb 04
“WaPo has a new Rove stenographer; Froomkin responds to her.”:
http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;5580993
Peace,
UL
vanderhai – lusking tring to convince Fitz it would be foolish for Rover to give his Feb 04 testimony if he knew folks at Time were buzzing about Rover…it all sounds ‘very foggy;
WaPo’s Pool boy, Vandehei, says Fitz will make a decision about indicting Rove very soon, before the end of 2005.
vanderhai – rove still has ‘chance’ of indictment, focus on whether he provided false testimony and we should’know soon’ as the missing piece was Novak’s testimony…in other words, Vanderhai has nothing new
norah – rover still in legal jeapardy, not clear Novak’s testimony ‘clears Rove altogether’…claims Luskin knew from Novak even Before Rover’s initial testimony…
MrsK* – Great minds in AZ thinking alike.
Hooray! Hooray! Diebold CEO Wally O’Dell resigned! But what, oh. what will he do with his English-fake mansion, called Cotswold Manor in Columbus Ohio?
Chances are if convicted he might very well have to forfeit it to the government. Keep a good thought.
Holy cow!
Check out the transcript Atrios put up of Sam Seder smacking the living daylights out of Bob Knight on CNN over this fake “War on Christmas.”
Un-effin-believable!
Sam Seder is my new hero. Just amazing.
Great post.
The word, however is “knob”.
Hooray! Hooray! Diebold CEO Wally O’Dell resigned! But what, oh. what will he do with his English-fake mansion, called Cotswold Manor in Columbus Ohio?
I hope O’Dell isn’t planning another small plane crash for some other company CEO so he can take that guy’s place as CEO. CEO’s, be afraid, be very afraid!
Schuster on Hardball points out that the delay from VNovaks telling Luskin to the time in Oct 2004 that Rove finally admitted talking to Cooper is very damaging to Rove since Rove only changed testimony after Cooper was subpoenaed.
great, norah and vanderhai on tweety…two heavyweights
Hi Mrs. K8! Umm… I read that on the HuffPo piece, but haven’t had time to go back and try to track down a source for it, and I’m running a bath as I have to leave within the hour or so for my Monday night pool league gig.
Something about it just sounds like it is probably true, my apologies if it turns out to be a rumor. It may have been a commentator who said he had just announced it, which sent me off following links. I don’t recall seeing it in his regular column out today though…
difficult time for Rover to sleep per a pundit on Tweety….
You gotta love those SEC laws.
OT – But perhaps not b/c somehow it has become a “news” story, an amazing transcript from Eschaton/Atrios from CNN on the “war on Xmas.”
http://www.atrios.blogspot.com/
tweety says Rove’s last minute defense may be ’spllintering”
Um, I notice that the fifty or so comments above sound like a chorus: Ooooh we are SO disappointed in the WaPo, so surprised at that White House rag…not getting it, etc.
They aren’t that stupid y’know. WaPo is the enemy, doing its job as ordered. So why waste so much energy being disappointed? Either ignore it or fight it, but please get off this unhappy mother schtick.
I personally consider that paper and most others (NYT etc.) as accessory at least to murder and war crimes, and I would treat them with no more honor than I would a rapist.
3 points:
1. Froomkin’s an aggregator, not a reporter, as he himself points out. He does a great job of it, but he depends on good reporters (mainly from places other than the Post, sadly).
2. Froomkin’s perspective isn’t policy liberal, it’s classic news reporter bias in favor of transparency.
3. Rove’s problem is the same as Libby’s: when it still looked like the DOJ would quash the whole Plame matter, they both told the FBI they had nothing to do with it. It made sense at the time, but then Ashcroft recused and Fitzgerald was appointed. Libby simply stuck to his earlier lie. Rove has tried over time to shape a defense of lost-and-found memory. I don’t think Fitzgerald really buys it, but Fitzgerald may be less certain whether a jury will do so, particularly when the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt.
The chief executive officer of voting rights company Diebold who once famously declared that he would “deliver” Ohio for President Bush has resigned effective immediately, RAW STORY has learned.
O’Dell’s resignation comes just after reports from BradBlog.com that the company is facing imminent securities fraud litigation surrounding charges of insider trading.
It also comes just days after RAW STORY revealed new allegations of technical woes inside the company, as well as allegations by a Diebold insider who suspects wrongdoing in elections in Georgia and Ohio.
Don’t know how significant this is- but it can’t be bad can it?
Accountability—a liberal value?
So be it.
Kenevan–Dead or maimed? So we have a choice? Ok, I vote for maimed.
One more thought…
Why is no one raising the issue of Luskin becoming part of the investigation? I know he is Rove’s lawyer, and he has certain rights and responsibilities, but if he is knowingly diseminating false information about a cover up, is that not an attempt to cover up a crime?
Yes, Rove is entitled to legal counsel, and that counsel may need to make public statements. But when he makes false statements about when he talked with Vivica, or what Rove remembered when, the lost emails, phone logs, etc., I mean his statements don’t add up.
But we are dealing with a potential act of treason! Where is the outrage of the chest-thumping, Red-White-&-Blue crowd? (maybe they only reflect those colors.)
In my book, Luskin is more guilty than Lynne Stewart ever could have been. He is actively aiding and abetting in a cover up — A COVER UP OF TREASON!!!
“The enemy isn’t conservatism. The enemy isn’t liberalism. The enemy is bullshit.”
Lars-Erik Nelson, of blessed memory.
The journalists should be happy the duel is dead. With the emergence of blogs, reporters have to deal with searing criticism of their work. It must be really damaging to their egos. Boo hoo!
In the old days, the aggreived party would challenge them. They should quit whining. If this was America circa 1840, a lot of them would dead or maimed.
Here is the copy of MY E-Mail to the lOmbudsman at the WaPo
“If Journalists want our respect they need to earn it. They need to be willing to objectively report and not be water boys for their favorite Politicians and Administration officials.
Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were shining examples of what good reporters should be. Back then they were willing to take the risks to bring us the truth. Sadly things have changed and even Woodward has fallen victim to whatever sickness seems to have infected the MSM in all it’s modalities now days.
It is a real shame. The Blogs have arisen to fill the Black Hole, and yes we do have clout because we are the voice of the people!”
karen allen: it still would be a great fictional
snark to write about the transformation of a
Repug wife of a scandoulous Sen. going over to the progressive side. The neonuts would
probably burn and ban the book and x rate
the film. We could have G.C play the romancer
of the Sen. wife. He gives her something
different than the party KOOL-AID.
Jake loves the title “Jake the Brave” In San
Francisco there’s a gourmet dog store on
Polk street with the most wonderful flavored
biscuits. Jake wants to send some to Whiskers and Kobe.
Jane—your internet site should sell FDL
dogbowls and Kobe’s favorite biscuits.
Shez –
What I left out is that they are saying he may be taking some ‘time off’ to be with his family.
Could you clarify? Who is “they”? Howell?
Man, if they push Froomkin out, I’ll never be able to hear (or God forbid, SAY) the name “Washington Post”) without spitting.
BTW — having read concert reminiscences, thought I’d tell you I saw Jim Pepper under the stars one summer at the Renape Indian Reservation off the Jersey Turnpike. It wasn’t too long before he died. Thought you’d probably know him and appreciate.
F8ckers. Who exactly are these strawmen “political reporters” to which the so-called ombudsman referred? Grrr…hate to think Froomkin was shielding the ombudsman or them.
My deposit left at WaPo on this matter:
Here’s my rebuttal to the so-called WaPo political reporters: Jeff Gannon. Anybody want to address that particular 800-lb. gorilla sitting in your laps when you were supposed to be covering all things political, including the White House?
These same political reporters are tut-tutting about Froomkin, but failing grossly to report on the propagandizing of all administration policy; there’s been virtually nothing in the way of follow-up on Gannon, or on Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher and other payola recipients story, millions of dollars gone walking and nothing to show for it save for jokes on The Daily Show. No digging for any of the unifying connections between these people who are mouthpieces for this administration (and the links are there, if reporters actually look).
Let alone stories like Rendon and Lincoln Groups, worth tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, which received merely passing coverage by WaPo’s political reporters. (Billmon at Whiskey Bar has done a far better job, for crying out loud.)
To these so-called political reporters I say stick to your own knitting; you’re already bordering on irrelevance if you can’t or won’t report.
We really, REALLY need a new business model in this country for the Fourth Estate. It’s the lack of a viable model that allows crap to be promulgated as news, perpetuates propaganda as infotainment instead of real and usable information. A real business model would encourage people like Jane and Redd, nurture other indie media outlets to get deep into the truth of any matter. We have to get serious about and soon.
mrs. k8 — kind of related: stephen gaghan, writer/director of syriana was on charlie rose last week and hinted at the dark doings he was told while researching the movie. he commented that he will never again fly in a small aircraft, after hearing too many stories of the easy disposal of troublemakers. (rose is a wanker, but the interview was one of the best i’ve heard w/gaghan. damn, the stories he’s not telling …)
Love ya Jane, I had just put up the link in the last thread to Froomkin’s response, glad to see you were already on it.
What I left out is that they are saying he may be taking some ‘time off’ to be with his family. Is THAT the kind of pressure he is getting over this? Shame, shame, shame on the ombudsman Debra Howell and Post political editor John Harris.
It bears repeating the comment I found over at HuffPo on this:
“They should rename it The Whitehouse Debriefing“
ck –
Wasn’t Gary Webb the guy who “shot himself in the head” TWICE?!?
Unless it was an automatic weapon, there was always something very fishy about that.
Of course, the regime has a record for killing and bombing journalists.
excellent post. and the outpouring of comments at froomkin’s blog is reassuring.
actually, i’m delighted to know that he’s getting under the skin of those sally quinn party pals at the wapo. my ass, that harris is concerned that readers are confused. what a fucking insult; more likely he got endless pissy emails and phone calls that he felt compelled to run to howell for relief. what a bunch of fucking pussies.
what i sent….
dear ombudswoman:
> The PostÂ’s political reporters donÂ’t like my column….
crybabies! ever hear the expression about the heat in the kitchen? maybe they should get new jobs. i hear the iraq news puppets pay pretty well.
d e
south carolina
Aside — [to zennurse: bad weekend, am working to dig out from under now…Thanks!!!]
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Here’s what I wrote:
Mr. Froomkin is virtually the only aspect of your organization which retains credibility with me.
(Oh, not to forget — I appreciate Dana Priest’s work on torture gulags.)
Get rid of Froomkin? Then I wouldn’t even cast a glance your way. I like REAL journalists, the ones willing to speak truth to power. Those who just like the access to the cool cocktail parties are not journalists. I’d tell you what they are, but then I don’t use that kind of language.
Sincerely,
The “boxed-in” just don’t get it! Their mamas and daddys only taught them to make nice and to throw a football. They never learned them to … (oh what was that word?) … oh yeah …THINK!
Plus, they can’t see (or smell) all of the bullshit because reason, logic, and connecting dots don’t translate into extra digits in a 401(K) statement.
To use a biblical metaphore (which are so fun to use these days): They have sold their birthright for a mess of pottage. BTW, doesn’t it seem as if we have been hit by a tidal-wave of pottage?
Is there any more powerful example of the end of the institutional corporate media than this response from the domesticated dinosauers to the new large brained mamal in the newsroom.
I find it interesting that when the house slaves are caught carryin’ out the slop pail for the Master , as with the NYT and the Washington Post, they revolt against the one place that can save their sorry-assed jobs – their best blog columnists.
Here’s another interesting contradiction in that WaPo article. First, it says:
“Until he testified for a second time in October 2004, Rove maintained he did not recall talking to Cooper.”
Then, two paragraphs later, it says:
“A lawyer close to the case said Luskin has contended the conversation happened before Rove’s first appearance before the grand jury in February 2004, when he testified he did not recall discussing Plame with Cooper.”
This second paragraph leaves the clear impression that, in February 2004, Rove acknowledged talking with Cooper, but did not recall that the subject of Plame came up. According to the first paragraph, however, Rove did NOT acknowledge talking to Cooper at all. Which is it?
This is an important distinction. I suspect that, if and when the indictment comes out, we will find that Rove dribbled out pieces of information if and as his lies were about to be discovered. In February 2004 and before, he told both investigators and the grand jury that he didn’t remember talking to Cooper. In October 2004, he told the grand jury that he talked to Cooper, but not about Plame. I’m guessing he said he talked about welfare reform, and then, as an afterthought, warned Cooper off the Niger story. Finally, after Cooper had testified, after Time turned over Cooper’s detailed notes to the prosecutor, and after Newsweek leaked a very specific email from Cooper to Cooper’s editor (describing the call, and noting that Wilson’s wife worked on WMD at the CIA), Rove told the grand jury that he might have mentioned Wilson’s wife in the call (not to discredit Wilson, but just to protect Time from making a mistake in its reporting). And of course, he NEVER uttered the words, “Valerie Plame.”
I’m speculating about what we will finally find out if and when we see Rove’s testimony. However, the MSM have never taken these various reports of Rove’s testimony, laid them side-by-side, and tried to explain just what was said, and when. Instead, the MSM have simply echoed the latest spin, based on the latest defense theory, and left all the analysis to the blogs.
Don’t buy into the Froomkin as liberal debate. It is not the point, and misses the point. Doing his job as a reporter – critically questioning the actions of those in power – even if they happen to be “conservative,” at least in name (I don’t think Goldwater would take them as fellow travelers), does not make his reporting liberal (he might be, I don’t know, but that isn’t the issue), it means he is doing his job as a reporter properly.
It is about shilling stenograpy vs. journalistic reporting. That is the meme. The NeoNuts want the debate in their Orwellian terms, Howell is trying to frame it that way, that is why the complaint is regarding his alleged “liberal” bias. Don’t buy into it when you write – stick to the real subject, don’t let them change on us. Don’t let them drown out the real issues.
Dan Froomkin is the future.
Ummm . . . I have to agree with David Ehrenstein here — Dan Froomkin can expect to be fired for the unforgivable sin of being a Liberal; or even worse, a truth teller.
There will be some trumped up charge — Oh look, Dan Froomkin misplaced an apostrope!!! — but he will be shown the door, like all the other reporters who don’t toe the BushCo party line.
Robert Parry has a piece on Gary Webb — both made the mistake of telling the truth . . .
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/120905.html
One year ago, reporter Gary Webb – his life in ruins – killed himself with a handgun. The tragedy made him the final victim of a long-running cover-up protecting the Reagan-Bush administration’s tolerance of drug trafficking by its client army, the Nicaraguan contras.
But Webb’s death also could be blamed on the fecklessness of modern American journalism. The nation’s leading newspapers had driven the 49-year-old father of three to his desperate act rather than admit that they had bungled one of the biggest stories of the Reagan-Bush era – the contra-cocaine scandal.
Webb might be alive today if the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times had shown the decency to explain the importance of what the Central Intelligence AgencyÂ’s inspector general acknowledged in a two-volume report in 1998.
Now, if a reporter wants to get ahead, they need to take a page out of the Judith Miller / Jeff Gerth / Bob Woodward playbook: Republicans can do no wrong, and Democrats can nothing right. Today, that’s the ticket for wealth and fame in the journalisming world . . .
Sam–I left you a note at the bottom of the last thread. A message for Jake, too.
Froomkin just might have to leave the
Washpoop Post and continue his excellent
new-gathering and summarizing from the
Blog world. Is that paper still necessary as
a medium for his message? During the Vietnam
days there was a great independent journalist
who had his own newsletter mailed out. I.F.
Stone is his name. Lets’ all continue to let
Froomkin know he loved and needed—
Jake says Kobe must be one happy dog these
days as Jane’s riding the wave. Jake wants to
know if Kobe eats out a Firedoglake dog bowl?
Zenn- Seems to me that Bobby G. was goin on an anniversary cruise- maybe he’s still cruisin.
Don’t know about Otis–miss his legal analyses.
“Number one, Dan Froomkin’s column is often the only thing worth reading in the Washington Post …”
Yep.
Peace,
Ul
Hi Zenn- thanks. Here’s a few chunks of data from a new ABC poll taken in Iraq:
“Half now say the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was wrong, up from 39 percent in February 2004.
_More than six in 10 say they feel safe in their neighborhoods, up from 40 percent in June 2004.
_Six in 10 say local security is good, up from half in February 2004.
But the national concern mentioned most often is security, named by 57 percent.
A fourth of those surveyed, 26 percent, say U.S. forces should leave now, and another 19 percent say troops should leave after those chosen in this week’s election take office. The other half say U.S. troops should stay until security is restored, 31 percent, until Iraqi forces can operate independently, 16 percent, or longer, 5 percent.”
Jane: You are so right on. I live in the WaPo delivery area. I have repeatedly written them that their hard copy is not worth having delivered even to line my cat’s litter box.
Occasionally I look at them on the net like the Russians used to look at Pravda…what propaganda and lies are being put out by the oligarchs today.
Blogs rule.
You are the reincarnation of the 18th Century broadsheet. Keep up the good work.
BTW, I don’t have funds to send to all the blogs I read, so I have no problem with the column on the right side of the screen.
Posted in the last thread, but here again those who might not have seen it:
For anyone who is interested, here’s the link to a MoveOn.org Bring the Troops Out of Iraq petition. It must be signed today, as this is the last day. MoveOn will deliver the petition to your US Representative.
http://political.moveon.org/iraq/
Needed, a listing of reporter’s email addresses. We could probably do this collectively. I know the scheme for AP and have a few for the WP, but none for the NYT ‘cepting Krugman.
Thinking of Mrs K8, no words today? She must be having a toughie. Can we all send her a moment of power? THX
Also, where in the world are Bobby G. and OtisIs Hungry? They are missed, glad rwcole is home.
hey are more concerned with maintaining status and access, so the obviously resent a real liberal like Froomkin.
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so, the most unpopular writer at the outpost of the so-called ‘liberal media’ is a liberal…who says irony is dead
“In this context, the political process in Iraq is closing down not opening up. The
constitutional vote did not forge consensus but proved division. Eighty per cent of the Sunnis in the main Sunni provinces voted against the constitution. Clearly, people are rallying around their own kind rather than stick with the idea of a democratic Iraq.
The process of arriving at the current draft has not been convincing, and the document itself is a reckoning of grievances rather than a blueprint for the future. It would have been better if the debate had dragged on rather than to conform to this artificial deadline. Why not? In time, the Shiite leaders would have understood federalism, how it would work and how it was in their interests. There was always a hope of a way out down the line.
But closure without consensus solves nothing in the particular circumstances of an insurgency-ridden Iraq. It threatens to sharpen divisions. The paradox is that the deadline was pressed because some, including in Washington, believed a constitution would sap the insurgency. I fear just the opposite will turn out to be the case.
The vote could very well turn out to have been a casus belli for civil war”
Short excerpt from a very good article on Iraq up at Huffington!
Dear Ms. Howell:
Can we expect Dan Froomkin to be fired for the unforgivable sin of being a Liberal? Apparently being a “White House Reorter”requires that you be a stenographer for the Bush administration. Isn’t Sue Schmidt sufficient?
Sincerely,
David Ehrenstein
Los Angeles, Ca.
But to throw it up without question is not journalism, it’s not even stenography, it’s cretinism. You have to have an extra chromosome floating around somewhere to sit there muttering “uh huh, uh huh, oh…good point” when someone is spinning you that kind of fish tale.
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and yet, and yet…that’s the kind of abandonment of critical thinking that is rampant in just about ALL of the MSM..the WaPo simply being an example…why oh why has our society, so overloaded with smart people and learning, provided a media that functions at such a idiot level?
anyway, nice article
Oh, honey, you said it!! I had never really made the connection to bylines and infirmation before I found FDL. I have had a wonderful education in discernment from you, Redd and the crew of comment writers in how much is not said in the paper and how disgusting the influence of the actual politicians and other subjects. I had also never read the WaPo in any depth until “my awakening” here, stupidly believing that because it was conservative, there could be nothing there for me. Now I have instant bookmarks to NYT, WaPo, La Times, AlterNet, FreePress, CJR, E&P, The Guardian and The Boston Globe. I can’t look at them all every day, unfortunately, and sometimes just look at links from here and E&P, which gives me plenty of news and information about things I am focused on. I am angry that I so blindly accepted what I was reading so passively before and am so much more satisfied with this crucial distinction explained. I think it is a very valuable function FDL provides and maybe we should explain it in comments a little more often for newcomers so they become familiar with the reporters (?) covering these stories and thier individual biases. IMHO, and as has been discussed here many times, esp during the Miller and pre-indictment era, our ability to understand what is actually happening is enhanced by remembering that there’s the story as written and there’s the story that’s influenced. We need to read both.
Thanks ladies, eternally grateful.
Thanks to ShezÂ’s prescience we got a head start on stuffing it to the WaPo-rati. HereÂ’s my two bits:
Quit drinking Karl Rove’s kool-aid WaPo! Froomkin (and the blogosphere) is the antidote to such sheer shillery. He is the one adult who can take away the punch bowl of “access intoxication”.
We are sick of the icky aftertaste of premasticated MSM vomit and we’re not going to take it anymore! For what it’s worth–the TV set went out the window too.
Great post Jane!
You’ve help move the box, and they’re grumpy that they’re stuck outside and nobody takes them seriously, poor things.
Great line: “Luskin refused to comment” AS IF!!! That right there was my frist clue…
Thanks so much for your efforts!
dana priest and walter pincus are always worth reading.
But Jane, how do you really feel?
When I was in law school, a professor once said “It is better to make up the law than look up the law.” There is a certain truth to that, especially when the evidence is against you.
Who knew they teach the same thing at journalism school, that it is better to make up the facts than look up the facts.
Tis another masterpiece that Monk has up.
http://blogs.washingtonpost.co…..t-12038200
You can post supporting Froomkin here ^^^
ombudsman@washpost.com
^^ Deborah Howell ^^
I bet Froomkin doesn’t get invited to the A-list parties.
THAT’S the problem.
Not enough cocktail weinie consumption.
You GO girl!
Thank you.
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outstanding rant, well done
monk is posting again.
ot,
sorry.
ahnold just denied clemency for stanley “tookie” williams.
sad day.
great post Jane. You rock.
The pseudo-libs who make up much of the liberalmedia in the WaPo newsroom think of themselves as part of the DC establishement – They are more concerned with maintaining status and access, so the obviously resent a real liberal like Froomkin.
Froomkin would probably write something EVEN if it would cause problems with all the officially cool people.
What’s not to resent?
Here’s Froomkin’s response to the idiocy regarding his online column. Hang in there, Dan.
Froomkin is the best thing in WaPo!
nothing like the truth spoken eloquently.
thank you, jane.
As I pointed out in my letter to the WaPo regarding Froomkin, Froomkin has credibility and that is why their political reporters don’t like him.
‘Nuff said.
Hi Jane- Yeah that article is one strange piece of work–what in the hell were they thinking?
If you missed my this little item that I posted in the last thread, then check it out. Like karen allen said, “what a hoot!”
On Double-Super-Secret Background: Managing Confidential Sources
October 11, 2005 – Experienced investigative reporters and counsel discussed dealing with and protecting confidential sources in the post-Miller/Cooper era at a symposium sponsored by the New York Lawyer Chapter of the American Constitution Society and the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law.
Panelists included: Mark Bowden, national correspondent, The Atlantic; Mark Feldstein, director of the journalism program and associate professor of media and public affairs, George Washington University; Viveca Novak, Washington correspondent, Time Magazine; Victor Kovner, partner, Davis Wright Tremaine LLP; and moderator David Korzenik ‘79, partner Miller Korzenik Sommers LLP.
http://www.cardozo.yu.edu/news_e…tion.asp? ID=617
Evidently, the bigshots at the WaPo thought that calling Froomkin’s column “White House Briefing” strained the newspaper’s “credibility”[!]
As if they had any in the first place! I think they’re jealous because Froomkin gets so many more hits than their usual tired columnists.
Pow!
Damn, Jane, you hit it on the head yet again.
Brava!
Jane, you rock and roll! Great, great post. How do you get your brain working so fast and well when you’re in the rage? Kudos!
Fitz!