Thank goodness they finally let Incurious George ride his bike. All those meetings and discussions on policy and stuff were making him downright cranky.
For the president, it was a rare moment of fun on an otherwise dreary overseas trip. In five years in the presidency, Bush has proved a decidedly unadventurous traveler, an impression undispelled by the weeklong journey through Asia that wraps up Monday. As he barnstormed through Japan, South Korea and China, with a final stop in Mongolia still to come, Bush visited no museums, tried no restaurants, bought no souvenirs and made no effort to meet ordinary local people….The Bush spirit trickles down to many of his top advisers, who hardly go out of their way to sample the local offerings either. A number of the most senior White House officials on the trip, perhaps seeking the comforts of their Texas homes, chose to skip the kimchi in South Korea to go to dinner at Outback Steakhouse — twice. (Admittedly, a few unadventurous journalists joined them.)
Let me get this straight. You are in Japan, Korea, China and other interesting Asian nations, where cuisine is a high art. And you eat at an Outback Steakhouse. Twice?!?
No museums. No cultural events that aren’t forced upon you by protocol with other world leaders. Nothing outside your comfort zone bubble. That’s our Preznit.
[Laura] has had little luck enticing her husband into joining her over the years. The first time the Bushes traveled to China together in their current capacity, she had to tell him to slow down as he tried to race through a tour of the Great Wall. She once persuaded him to go to the Hermitage Museum in St. Petersburg, only to see him burn through the place in 30 minutes. He dispensed with the Kremlin cathedrals in Moscow in seven minutes. He flatly declined an Australian invitation to attend the Rugby World Cup while down under.
Okay, so the meetings are boring. The cultural stuff is tedious. The new food is icky. At least he has the bike rides.
(Illustration credit to the EarthHope Action Network — this pix was just too good to pass up.)
UPDATE: More on the non-productive jaunt to Asia in the WaPo.
When President Bush was flying toward Asia a week ago, his national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, predicted to reporters in the back of the plane that the four-nation trip would yield no “headline breakthroughs.” He turned out to be right.As Bush wrapped up his stay in Beijing on Sunday and prepared to head home Monday after a brief stop in Mongolia, the trip has produced no real breakthroughs of any sort. On a wide variety of issues, from trade to security to human rights, Bush won no concrete agreements from any of his summit partners.
But the low expectations spin continues from the WH, who is saying that the Preznit never expected to bring home any agreement on anything anyway. Oh, well, good use of taxpayer dollars then. Ahem.




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Ah, the soft bigotry of low expectations … where the hell have I heard that before????
BC
It’s not just the Outback. Why do Republicans have disgusting eating habits?.
Can I just add to the conversation here that speaking as an Australian, Outback Steakhouse is crap. There is no such thing as a Bloomin’ Onion here.
Just so that you know.
on electronic voting: an innocent suggestion.
use the computer only as a way to punch a voting card clearly, with no hanging chads, etc. the voter gets to vote, change his or her mind, vote again, and so forth. when voter is satisfied, he/she presses the PUNCH button and the machine spits out a flawlessly punched and printed voting card. (a computer is very good at flawlessly punching and printing stuff.)
the voter gets to look at the card, which is printed to show exactly what has been punched.
if the voter isn’t satisfied, he/she uses the same process to produce a new card. When the voter is satisfied, he/she takes the card to a tallying machine as is done today.
this is no less accurate than the current voting technology. There were no land lines, and a paper trail isn’t needed any more than it is today (which I suppose is an issue.)
Me, or anyone ,that would be helpful to me, as well. I would particularly like to know how to make links where you click on a word, is that a hyperlink. Is there a site where we can learn this stuff?
We want to look wicked smaht, as they say in my neck of the woods.
THX
ME
I know this is off topic, but how do you bold the text? Also, how do you insert links and sech? I’m so new at this and I need some tutoring, and don’t know who to turn to.
I haven’t been able to read the comments but the title “Incurious George” reminds me the 1992 Presidential election when Ann Richards gave a rousing and humorous speech about W’s dad quoting from the same children’s book, Curious George. “Where was George?” Like father, like son. One’s “incurious” and the other doesn’t know what’s going on.
Expectations cannot be lowered enough to make Bush appear successful.
“My current tin-hat scenario is as follows: Bush is owned and has been owned by (oh, let’s say) the Chinese government. It’s a form of the Manchurian Candidate.”
Conspiracy *theory*? I share your choice of headgear.
Asia owns 45% of US debt,possibly more if you don’t believe government figures.
It is quite a simple plan. Conquer America without ever firing a shot and its citizens will be blissfully unaware for a long time.
EPU—Yep- It’s a classic.. New Thread.
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/p…..index.html
Me – I don’t want to discount the real stories driving Chimpy’s (and all Repug) numbers down.
But, don’t discount the “he’s an idiot” perception factor.
It would be great if we leaved in a world where substance always won out over form (at least most of the time, but I don’t want to digress). Unfortunately it doesn’t – which is one reason why Wingnut double speak/marketing is affective.
To paraphrase Bill Murray in Stripes
“When you tried to open that door, and the president tried to make it with the door. I want to party with you, cowboy.”
No amount of spin or double speak can erase the image of the bumbling president. And chances are it will be a defining meme of his presidency, in the same way that Chevy Chase played Gerald Ford on SNL.
We can rail against the inhumane policies, both here and abroad, the corruption, the hypocrisy, the abject failure.
That being said, nothing brings it all home like a guy losing an argument with a door.
Great Leader speaks:
In the first visit by a sitting US president to Mongolia, George W. Bush announced that he was in Ulan Bator to deliver an “important international message”, then after a pause, added: “Secretary Rumsfeld asked me to check on his horse.”
I have just written the DNC as well regarding the quetionable voting technology. Me, I hope they’re listening. Thanks to everyone who’s pushing on this….it’s so essential to our future.
Back to work…peace!
rwcole… Yeah, the CSM is saying that… And they are sooo gooped. In fact, they don’t have a year. Reality is looking more like as soon as the next round of “elections” in Iraq and we are leaving. 35% is a goop slanted poll, the bottom is dropping out… We have moved the editors into a reality based position and Murtha has provided a leadership voice to express this in Congress. I think they are getting a good response to the “Shame on Them” petition.
CSM article goes on to talk about an “Iraq Syndrome” that may return many americans to an isolationist mindset… seems probable.
In June 2004, for the first time, more than half the public (54 percent) thought the US had made a mistake, a figure that holds today.
With Vietnam, that 50-percent threshold was not crossed until August 1968, several years in; with Korea, it was March 1952, about a year and a half into US involvement.
Why did Americans go sour on the Iraq war so quickly, and what can Bush do about it?
John Mueller, an expert on war and public opinion at Ohio State University, links today’s lower tolerance of casualties to a weaker public commitment to the cause than was felt during the two previous, cold war-era conflicts. The discounting of the main justifications for the Iraq war – alleged weapons of mass destruction and support for international terrorism – has left many Americans skeptical of the entire enterprise.
In fact, “I’m impressed by how high support still is,” Professor Mueller says. He notes that some Americans’ continuing connection of the Iraq war to the war on terror is fueling that support.
In addition, intense political polarization gives Bush resilient support among Republicans.
But among Democratic voters who supported the US-led invasion initially, most have long abandoned the president. In polls, independent voters now track mostly with Democrats. And, analysts say, once someone loses confidence in the conduct of a war, it is exceedingly difficult to woo them back.
“[Bush’s] best option is bringing peace and security to Iraq,” says Darrell West, a political scientist at Brown University. “If he can accomplish that, people will think the war’s going well and that he made the right decision. But that’s proving almost impossible to achieve.”
Pollster Daniel Yankelovich, writing in the September/October 2005 issue of Foreign Affairs magazine, states that “in my judgment the Bush administration has about a year before the public’s impatience will force it to change course.”
CSM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..urtha_iraq
Murtha: Americans are on his side and he is not backing down.
Karen Allen:
Good! Maybe if enough of us complain about this they will at least acknowledge the problem. It seems as if they wanted to ignore it so far. (Don’t know why.)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20…..m/awarpoll
Why Support Fell So Fast
35% and it should be dropping. Once people make up their mind about war, they don’t turn back into hawks.
Me and Sonate–I just wrote to the national Dems, also, about the voting machines.
Biden delivering major Iraq speech… Developing
Raw Story
Well someone is trying to fill the news vacuum.
On Alito– hearing have been delayed until January..
Nothin much is scheduled to happen on the Hill until then-
I looked it up. According to Woodward, he got the leak in mid-June. Novak’s article was nearly a month later. July 14 I think.
http://tinyurl.com/awu5o
Anyone know what is happening with the Alito nomination? Haven’t seen too much about this of late.
[What’s with Haloscan? my last comment went into vapor, dammitall…]
mayan, re: 9:04 am — you’re dead on; the neo-cons don’t even realize they’ve been pw3nd by the Chinese, either, played like the meat puppets they are.
This document trumps this document (sorry, PDF file); the PNAC can’t see that all their objectives, if not carried out to SixSigma perfection (instead of their enormous incompetence), will ultimately fulfill the objectives of the first document.
Going to start taking Mandarin pretty soon, maybe some Cantonese, too.
“thanksgiving”– Yeah congress bolted out of town friday– it’s a wasteland in Washington at the moment- and this week will be a slow news week.. Great time to unleash a bluckbuster- if anyone has one…The press will be looking for something to run besides new turkey recipes.
Karen, loved your phone call too *grinz*
Obviously something is getting through to their brain stems that calling us unpatriotic and cowards just won’t fly. All of this needs to happen, it wasn’t just the House and America who watched THAT disaster go down, the Senate saw it too.
If nothing less, they will all think just a tad wee harder from now on that yes, we are mad and aren’t going to take it. I also don’t buy the reports out that Schmidt didn’t know Murther was a marine, I call bullshit.
You can sense “official Washington” is shutting down already for the Thanksgiving holiday. Man, Georgie sure is a privileged guy. The rest of us working slobs put in four days–and some five or six–this week, but not Georgie and Co.
Let’s hope that Fitz takes some time off for turkey and dressing but that his working-class roots keep him at his desk working while the leisure class continues to rot and that that grand jury starts to listen to evidence real soon.
justwondering, when Woodward writes about not asking questions, does it leave room for the possibility that he made statements and/or that the person he was talking to volunteered information?
percy-
On electronic voting, sure there are technical aspects that are difficult to write about (math, stats, probablility as you say), but there are also significant issues unrelated to the technology that are absolute home runs.
-Wally O’Dell, Bush Pioneer (Ranger?) and Diebold CEO promising to deliver the vote in Ohio before the election
-Dramatic and unexplained differences in the 04′ exit polling v. the results.
-Senator Hagel’s interests in ES&S technologies
-Delay officials flown in to stage a phony protest in Florida when Bush’s “victory” appeared to be in jeopardy
-Wide reports of insufficient numbers of voting machines in minority counties in Ohio.
…and the list goes on. How anyone that looks at these events and isn’t fuming is beyond me.
Bev Harris, Bob Fitrakis, Greg Palast (and others) have done the research and tried like hell to get the story out there but the msm wouldn’t touch it with a javelin.
Me (and anybody else):
I just composed and sent this letter to the DNC. I doubt that anyone will bother to read it.
As an independent voter who likes to see honest elections I am concerned about the “accountability” of electronic voting machines. I have written much computer code during my professional career, so I am not so naive to believe that any electronic system is foolproof.
A “secure” system must have two elements. First, the system must have redundancy, such as a paper receipt, to ensure the individual voter that their vote was accurately recorded. Second, there must be a secure method of transmission of an accurate vote total.
Both can be accomplished by 1) requiring all electronic machines dispense a paper “ballot” to the voter after the vote is cast and 2) count the paper ballots and use the electronic totals only as verification in the case of recount requests. The latter is necessary to eliminate fraud in either the vote counting at the precinct level and at the electronic level. Precinct workers are more likely to be honest if they know they are monitored by electronic “auditor.” Also, “hackers” are less likely to successfully alter vote totals if a “paper trail” exists. Finally, a count of the “paper receipts” allows for a communication via “land lines” instead of an open network which is susceptible to interception and alteration in vote totals after the fact.
I would hope that all of us are better served by an honest vote count. Why has nobody come forward with a plan like this to ensure one?
Sincerely,
This is a “first pass” at a reasonably secure voting system. Please feel free to modify and add to this when you write your letters.
People have been talking about “tipping points” – I think 15-20% is what you are supposed to tip right? ;)
Depending on the level of service recieved of course.
At this point a far and wide clear majority think everything coming out of this propaganda machine is just pure bullshit and horse apples. They are having party shills try to deny torture exists, that civilians get killed routinely… And at the same time you see press (frequently on the same page) showing wounded kids and stories on Darth Torture who won’t give up the fight to inflict pain on humanity… These are issues that really sour the “innocent Christian blondes”…
And they are not going to just “go away” or be re-written as they have been doing. There is too much pressure, and some actual competetion in some media areas to dig out the facts…
Curveball, White Phosphorus, Niger uranium, 2100 American servicemen, more and more lethal explosions… Iraqis saying “Yeah please, tell us when you are leaving!!!”
And then potted plants like Rumsfeld “The American people want us to stay until the mission is completed” – As I wrote in a letter to the press the other day… Everyone is clueless as to exactly what “The Mission” is, because chimper told us it was completed ages ago…
Terry- Yeah I know they were questions for Cheney- but the fact that Woody had such a question before Novak’s article (if I have the timing right) suggests that he already knew that there was such and issue- this before the “leak” to him I think..
Surely Fitz asked him about that- and Woody doesn’t chose to share his answer.
Russia recently conducted a flight test of a new warhead that can change course in midflight, which U.S. and Russian officials are calling part of Moscow’s efforts to defeat U.S. missile defenses.
The warhead was tested Nov. 1 and tracked by U.S. intelligence technical monitors, including satellites, the officials said.
An analysis of the flight test by U.S. intelligence agencies revealed that it was a further test of a maneuverable warhead that Moscow has been developing for several years in response to U.S. missile defenses.
The warhead was flight tested on a Russian Topol-M missile, designated by the Pentagon the SS-27, that flew from the Kapustin Yar launch complex in southern Russia near Volgograd.
The missile booster fired for a shorter-than-usual duration in placing the dummy warhead and re-entry vehicle into
Washinton Times
So Clusterfuck’s missle defense system is out of date before it has even been fully tested– write of a few more hundred billion.
rwcole:
Those were questions for Cheney. Woodward had to submit them in advance to Libby for review. A columnist said maybe Woodward ought to have mentioned that little set-up in his book.
Way off topic, but Josh Marshall over at TPM is hiring wannabe journalists. We have some might fine slueths right here. In addition to our leaders here.
Quite an opportunity. O.k. back to figuring out who did away with whom with what.
Just—Good job of highlighting the areas in Woody’s supposed testimony where he suffered “memory problems”. Those are definately the places where a prosecutor would say “bull shit”.
Also prompts the question “Why did Woody have the note about “Wilson’s wife” in his notes BEFORE talking to Libby–who prompted the question– don’t think Woody ever explains that.
I firmly believe Fitzgerald will get to the bottom of this or at least as much as can be gotten.
I agree with you Kathi, Fitz is amazing, and he knows the stakes. He is very much aware this is the biggest case of his life and the work he does on it will be as flawless as humanly possible.
Woodwash is going to whiteward the Preznit’s legacy.
Jane
I ao agree with you!! This is from your former post
“Woodward has said that the topic came up in “casual” conversation, and “he did not believe the information to be classified or sensitive.”
If Bob wants to claim that somebody mentioned this to him “casually,” that’s fine. I’m sure Bob believes this. All this says to me is that Bob got played like a two dollar banjo”
I gave thought for a while that this was a well organized plan to “bait” the media into doing their dirty work. then they banked on being able to hide behind the !st Ammendment . Also part of the plan was to try and make it look like the reporters came to them first(like where would the reporters get this information from if not from the Administration, duh,) and then confuse the issue by denial etc.
They also were counting on Ashcroft to give them cover . They must have been really freakin out when Ashcroft was pressured to recuse himself!
I firmly believe Fitzgerald will get to the bottom of this or at least as much as can be gotten.
A couple of names I’ve heard bandied about for ‘08 are Bill Richardson (Gov. of New Mexico) and Mark Warner (currently Gov. of Virginia) Both have executive credentials, are genuinely “uniters not dividers” in Repub leaning states, have business backgrounds, and I suspect would actually eat the food in Asia. What they don’t have is military service.
Steve G. has a fascinating list comparing Rs and Ds and thier military service histories:
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/ (scroll down a little)
I think the military service issue could work to the Democrat’s advantage in ‘08. The national security issue will not fade any time soon. And judging from Gilliard’s list, the Democrats kick ass on national security all day long.
Personally, I think the Dems would be out of their minds to nominate Hillary or Kerry. The Northeast senator thing would just do them in. I always liked Edwards, but he’s not a candidate, he’s a cabinet secretary (HHS)
And on a different topic, the Rude One tracked down an article from 2002 on Murtha, and his doubts on an Iraqui invasion back then: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Not only is Murtha right, he’s clairvoyant.
Bush may very well have a presidentius interruptess- if Fitzy gives him a mortal wound..
Long term- it’s better for dems if Clusterfuck finishes the presidency- but that’s really out of our control.
Assuming that the Woodward statement is not entirely false or misleading, it seems to have some clues to be considered:
“On Monday, November 14, I testified under oath in a sworn deposition to Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald for more than two hours about small portions of interviews I conducted with three current or former Bush administration officials that relate to the investigation of the public disclosure of the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame.”
Woodward doesn’t say if these are the only officials he talked to about Plame, just that he testified about three officials. At least one of these was a former official.
“I was first contacted by Fitzgerald’s office on Nov. 3 after one of these officials went to Fitzgerald to discuss an interview with me in mid-June 2003 during which the person told me Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA on weapons of mass destruction as a WMD analyst.”
Would Cheney have approached Fitzgerald to discuss his interview with Woodward? Seems highly doubtful – (but not impossible.)
“Fitzgerald asked if I had discussed Wilson’s wife with any other government officials before Robert Novak’s column on July 14, 2003. I testified that I had no recollection of doing so.”
‘No recollection” – means he might have.
“He asked if I had possibly planned to ask questions about what I had learned about Wilson’s wife with any other government official.
I testified that on June 20, 2003, I interviewed a second administration official for my book “Plan of Attack” and that one of the lists of questions I believe I brought to the interview included on a single line the phrase “Joe Wilson’s wife.” I testified that I have no recollection of asking about her, and that the tape-recorded interview contains no indication that the subject arose.”
Woodward “believes” he brought the question about Plame to the interview but has “no recollection” of asking about her. “No recollection”, etc., means he might have asked about Plame and made a note of it before he started making his recording. (Also possibly advising the source not to worry because it’s not on tape.)
“I also testified that I had a conversation with a third person on June 23, 2003. The person was I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, and we talked on the phone. I told him I was sending to him an 18-page list of questions I wanted to ask Vice President Cheney. On page 5 of that list there was a question about “yellowcake” and the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s weapons programs. I testified that I believed I had both the 18-page question list and the question list from the June 20 interview with the phrase “Joe Wilson’s wife” on my desk during this discussion. I testified that I have no recollection that Wilson or his wife was discussed, and I have no notes of the conversation.”
My interpretation of this is that Woodward was going though Scooter to arrange an interview with Cheney. He was going to give Scooter his list of questions in advance so they could be approved. This tends to suggest that he had not already met with Cheney regarding these subjects, but does not eliminate the possibility. He has “no recollection” of whether he discussed Plame with Scooter. That means he may or may not have had such a discussion.
“I testified that on June 27, 2003, I met with Libby at 5:10 p.m. in his office adjacent to the White House. I took the 18-page list of questions with the Page-5 reference to “yellowcake” to this interview and I believe I also had the other question list from June 20, which had the “Joe Wilson’s wife” reference. “
snip
“When asked by Fitzgerald if it was possible I told Libby I knew Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA and was involved in his assignment, I testified that it was possible I asked a question about Wilson or his wife, but that I had no recollection of doing so.”
This means it’s possible he discussed Plame with Libby. It also means that he probably arranged with Libby to set up a meeting with Cheney and was vetting the questions with Libby. We can’t tell if the planned Woodward /Cheney interview occurred because that’s where the account stops.
rw – Emptying Louisiana of dems by flooding them out. Talk about poetic injustice.
jlr – the electronic voting issue dropped from sight in the press because it’s terribly difficult to research and write about. It’s numbers, probability theory, regression from the mean, software, hardware… No faces, no pithy quotes, no Reid vs Frist type conflict.
There are two ways to approach this as a political issue. One is to do some very complex investigative reporting, and then find a way to get the resulting information out, in a clear, understandable manner.
The second approach is to simply say, “Fraud or not, for the sake of our democracy, we need to make these ATM’s spit out receipts.”
We need both paper trails and electron trails.
Percy– New Orleans was the bastion of dem voters– they have been at least temporarily disperssed throughout the nation.
Maybe we’ll be wrong, but I’m not hopeful.
I see the same things Jay.
And as far as the imperial chimpery… I don’t see how this can go on for _3_ more years. Even the powers that be pulling his little puppet strings (unless they are Chinese) would have to want to flinch and crawl under a rock after seeing his recent performance. He is a bonified idiot, it shows… Staged events, avoiding questions by trying to run away thru locked doors, Scotty’s public inquisition sessions with the press… It can’t be any more obvious that they are guilty, hiding stuff, and attempting to avoid a confrontation with the truth at any level.
I hope Fitz brings his submarine to the surface, fires a knockout spread of torps, and battleship BushCo finally rolls over in the water and sinks out of sight below the waves. The battleship as of today is dead in the water, listing heavily and already sunk in well above the water line. It’s taking all kinds of fire from small arms. It’s guns are either silent or ineffective, sharks are swirling in the water waiting to eat anything that drops off the deck…
Full color images of the Bush escape thru the locked Chinese door were on the front page of the morning NY Times…
White Phosphorus is in the media. Corruption in Congress is in the media, Iraq, Iraq, Iraq… Ineffective humanitarian efforts in Afghanistan…
These are signs. Nobody even talking about Fitzgerald today, and we know he is coming on with something big.
lol, I wrote my House rep over the weekend and told him flat out he should probably hire an attorney and plead due to Scanlon flipping. If he’s dirty of course ;) I told him whatever he did, not to even think about facing a jury in this country.
My vote for president in 08 goes to the governor of New Mexico, Bill Richardson. I admit to a bit of predujudice here as I am an ex New Mexican. That aside Richardson has always impressed me. He is not nearly as full of BS as most politicians. He has done a credible job as Governor, he has been a congressman and a diplomat. He is at least as qualified, if not more so, than anyone else in the field. Repairing frayed international relationships is going to be of paramount importance when Bush leaves office. Richardson certainly has the qualifications needed for that.
Iraqis say there should be troop timetable
By Salah Nasrawi, Associated Press Writer | November 21, 2005
CAIRO, Egypt –Leaders of Iraq’s sharply divided Shiites, Kurds and Sunnis, seeking common ground for their political future together, agreed Monday there should be a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops, and that resistance was the right of all — but that acts of terror should be condemned.
Iraq agrees with Murtha
LA will shift because of the changed demographic. Those worst hurt no longer live there.
rw – Why is LA shifting red after the Bush admin Katrina performance? Any insight?
About mortage rates and gas prices – I think this is what will push the Bushmeister’s approval ratings into the 20s. Even if they understand nothing else, people understand forclosure when it stares them in the face.
About voting irregularities – I remember reading the report from an audit of voting machines and related issues, and it was damning. It seems to have dropped into oblivion, though.
EPU— Colorado, Arizona, and Nevada will be among the first to turn blue–they are right on the edge right now- and bluing every day due to demographic shifts..
Louisiana- on the other hand- may have just shifted redder after Katrina.
Jay – You are not alone in thinking this is a good time to stay away from big mortgage debt, especially variable. There have been many press reports on the subject (in fairness, some writers think there will not be a severe housing crash).
Both my accountant and a friend with a U. Chicago economics PhD think that real estate is headed for a big collapse.
This will be bad for the nation, good for Democratic chances at the WH. “It’s *still* the economy, stupid.”
Jay – NE and Cali will be hit. But places like Phoenix, Denver (where it is already happening), Vegas, which have had incredible housing booms will also suffer greatly.
If you take a basic metric, like monthly rent vs. monthly mortgage, the markets in Phoenix and Denver are already out of wake, and getting wackier.
These are redstate kind of places, which politically is good for the Dems, but is bad for the people who live there.
Jay—yeah some will sell now and rebuy in two years and make a few bucks- but it’s not worth the pain in my opinion..most should just make sure that if they have a mortgage at a fixed rate-
rwcole-
I agree with you on the housing bubble and the hardest hit will be Northeast, and Cali coast. I fear that in 06 the housing bubble, the peak oil realities, the Iraq/tax cut costs and our reliance on China’s economic whims create an imperfect storm which precipitates a collapse like we’ve never seen.
I tried to convince my wife that NOW was the time to sell the house and downsize to get out from under the fat mortgage. She wasn’t biting…thinks I’m exaggerating, Maybe we’ll be wrong, but I’m not hopeful.
http://www.fusioner.proboards6…..1131129004
I would start by writing to the DNC and asking them what they intend to do on voting machine accountability and reform. Their contact page is the first link in the on-line forms section… Just click on the link above and send em your thoughts.
This just in, a (tongue-in-cheek) quote from Bill Clinton:
“I did not have sex with that woman, Jean Schmidt!”
Madrooster -> Yeah, I know you’re right…and I was (sorta/kinda) joking but the incompetence and absurdity has been raised to such a high art form that it almost feels like there’s a hostile intelligence behind it.
Hadley in China – Maybe b/c he is the National Security Advisor? That makes the most sense.
Yes it is a conspiracy, and I am sure Hadley is a player and Vader’s bitch. But, that being said, not everything they do has meaning, or is part of the cover-up scheme.
Haloscan ate this, so I’ll try again:
Karen – re your phone call – that was hilarious. There *is* hope for America.
Jay – I completely agree with you about electronic voting/ voter disenfranchisement. Without an election system we can trust, we don’t have a democracy.
Unfortunately the issue is far trickier, techier, complicated, and mathematical that Plamegate. Not an easy one to dissect and put into five word sentences. Like you, I hope that intelligent election-process-analysis will find its way onto fdl.
Definitely sounds like a case of ADD afflicts Bushmaster.
“I really don’t think there’s much command and control over this stuff, at this point.”
Couldn’t agree more! This gets more evident with each passing hour. At this rate, the whole thing collapses in the next few days??
Seriously, something has got to give. They’ve got to be desperate.
Karen: “Percy–Uh, Bill Clinton came to the presidency as a governor.”
Exactly my point. I remain a Clinton fan, but I see him as having been ineffectual on issues like health care reform precisely because, as a governor, he had no history with Congress.
Jay–Saw SNL and enjoyed it. They even had Mean Jean’s stupid clothing right. There is a Cincinnati home district political e-magazine that just tears her apart, and rightfully so. They got out an issue that accurately describes what she did on Friday, since the local newspapers downplayed it.
Reprehensible Jean dyes her hair that black black and thinks no one notices that she is balding. She loves to wear short skirts to show those skinny chicken legs she has.
I really don’t think there’s much command and control over this stuff, at this point.
I have to agree. The WH is totally dysfunctional, people are afraid of each other, the atmosphere must be tense and uncomfortable.
As we get closer to the midterms- there are ways of “keeping score”– “metrics” as Rummy would say. They include:
Clusterfuck’s JARs- now in the mid thirties.
Death toll in Iraq- now running at three per day.
Price of gasoline at the pump– now at about $2.50.
And here’s the big one—30 year fixed mortgage rates- now at about 6.36 and rising.
Somewhere between 6.5% and 7%– the bottom is going to drop out of the housing boom in the most populated parts of the country.. People who bought betting on the come- with variable rate mortgages- are going to go upside down overnight..the loss of wealth will be enormous-and it will all be laid at the feet of Clusterfuck’s fiscal policies….We should hit 6.5% very soon- then the clock starts ticking.
emptywheel: And I think, too, of Hadley going to China–POTUS and one of the main OVP allies on a long trip together. What gives?
To keep an eye on him?
If he’s on AF1, he’s not meeting with Fitzy.
If’s he acting a little odd, then they can smoke out if he’s flipped.
This assumes my theory is right, and that jane’s is wrong, that Bush does not know for certain who’s cooperating with Fitzy.
I strongly doubt the conspirators are talking very much to each other about all this stuff. The FBI could hold them under some surveillance, and if they say the wrong thing to the wrong person, they may be betrayed.
I really don’t think there’s much command and control over this stuff, at this point.
Percy–Uh, Bill Clinton came to the presidency as a governor.
Karen, did you see SNL this weekend? They abused Schmidt…a beauty:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Mayan,
Sadly, I think a more realistic answer is good old incompetance, arrogance, and cronyism. Anything else would require some sort of competant planning and execution. I think we can all agree there’s been little evidence of that.
Jean Schmidt’s phone numbers are 202-225-3164 and 800-784-6366. She removed her fax number.
percy,
Sadly, a svengali political guru and a compliant media trumps both governing skills and intellect. We desperately need a serious president. All of this analysis and speculation is hollow if the votes aren’t being counted. I implore all of the smart and dogged activist types here at FDL to attack on the electronic voting/voter disnernachisment front. It MUST be addressed before 08′!
ROTFL
I just called Rep. Jean Schmidt’s office and asked them to give a message to her. It went like this:
Me: “Please tell Congresswoman Schmidt I think she’s reprehensible and pathetic.”
Staffmember: “Great!”
Me: “Please tell her she should resign immediately.”
Staffmember: “Great! Good suggestion!”
Approximately Like Richard Condon Blues
I try to make sense out of the True Horror that is our current “government” – and I use that term very loosely. Unfortunately, I’m left with the simple explanation that either the Chimpula regime is comprised of hucksters, two-bit carnies, yeggs and Junior Chamber of Commerce rejects or something a little more -er- conspiratorial.
My current tin-hat scenario is as follows: Bush is owned and has been owned by (oh, let’s say) the Chinese government. It’s a form of the Manchurian Candidate. He was placed in power to basically destroy the country from within – thus, he’s wrecked the military; the economy; the morale; the intellenge (Goss); the intellect (brain-drain); the morality (torture, war-crimes); the infrastructure and a few cities (NOLA, Biloxi, Gulfport); etc. etc. in a headlong rush to render the US absolutely helpless to withstand any play the Chinese may wish to make. Now, there’s no need for anything messy like a military confrontation, the US will be too decimated.
How’d I do?
08 is a long ways away– a lot depends on what happens to the economy and the war in the meantime– if Iraq is “in the rearview mirror” by then as goopers hope- it brings a different cast of characters into play…the deficit could be a HUGE issue if it drives down the housing market- as I expect it will.
Dems have plenty of time. Circumstances will drive the choice.
Re: presidential candidates:
Governers come without a hill voting record, but they also come without hill experience and connections. The consequence is that they are less effective at getting legislation passed. Probably *only* a congressional insider like Johnson could have achieved passage of the ‘64 Civil Rights and ‘65 Voting Rights Acts. Johnson lobbied, wooed and hounded his former hill colleagues in order to pass some of the most important legislation of the century. Contrast Clinton’s important, well-intentioned, but ultimately stillborn attempt to reform health care. The Clintons didn’t know the players, nor the rules.
There’s a second game the candidate must understand: the campaign game. Can the candidate connect through the camera? Convey emotion? Appear *human*? Say it simply, clearly, forcefully? Fashion a sound bite? Fight hard? Sink a swift-boat campaign? Alas, it has nothing to do with governing skills (look at Bush), but one can’t reach the winner’s podium without being able to run the race.
It’s a sad commentary on our nation’s leadership that the best thing you can take away from his trip to Asia was that he didn’t call the people of Mongolia “mongoloids”…
G Dub deserves a little credit at least he didn’t puke in somebodyÂ’s lap. This is a good Dubya rationalization to stay away from the oriental delicacies. IÂ’m just pleased he remembered to thank Mongolia for the 120 troops.
I canÂ’t wait to see how they handle Thanksgiving at the ranch with Cindy roasting his turkey outside the gate. Murtha has built a nice fire with plenty of hot coals for some interesting basting.
I’m laughing…..lived in Seoul, South Korea for two years (’96-’98) at Yongsan. Traveled throughout the country as part of my job. I must say that the comments about the food being “all that” is a bit of a surprise. Ever tried Kimchi? Ever sat next to someone who had it for lunch? You can’t imagine the stench. It’s not that I hate Korean food; I don’t. Some dishes are quite good. But, it’s not the “be all, end all” you’ve described, Reddhedd. Having said that, it’s true that “incurious George” is an embarrassment as a representative for the American people.
Stalin is reported to have travelled everywhere in identical railcars, only to stay in living quarters that were identical, even down to the furnishings.
Are we seeing a pattern here?
“People who believe in absurdities will eventually commit atrocities.” — Voltaire [via the Writers Almanac]
Gore gave an outstanding speach last Sept at the Sierra Summit in San Fran as did Robert Kennedy Jr…I would work my butt off for either one..same with Fitz. but that won’t happen.
Anybody heard anything about Scanlon and his “information” thingy today?
http://www.fusioner.proboards6…..1131129004
^^ Media Resources ^^
Keep the letters to the media going, keep the pressure on. This resource has been very effective, it’s seeing lots of traffic, which means lots of correspondence going out. I see _REAL_ progress and responses in the MSM since we started working this. It’s impressive.
Keep up the good work guys!!!
:))
Jay,
Boxer’s great but unelectable. Howard Dean could do it but we hafta kill the DL:C and Bidden/Lieberman faction first. Warner is interestin’ but so is the Governor of Montana. Al Gore is from the south and the calculus is changin’ with regard ta the Christo-fascist stranglehold on Dixey…we hafta stop the new wingnut meme that the Democrats goin back ta Clinton are responsible fer Iraq, then Gore’s stature, experience, and proximity ta the last goldenage of American competence and economic prosperity make ‘im the next prez (with a chance ta change things).
The Gods, they are a scream
Know how to make God laugh?
Tell God your plans.
Bushboy can’t memorize his State of the Union address. He will concentrate on being able to mouth the words that Rove puts in front of him. If he were giving his own version of the State of the Union, it would be something like this:
“See, yuh gotta stay the course. Unnerstan? It’s hard work. We’re fightin in Iraq for a noble cause, see? Saddam tried to kill muh dad. And they got oil In order to get here, yuh gotta go there. I gotta repeat this over and over in muh job cause that’s muh job, see? Unnerstan?”
In September 2000 I was searching around for Curious George hand puppets. Figured they would be a neat campaign doodad. They had been off the market for a while, but somebody was manufacturing them for the 2000 Christmas season. They were stopped in their tracks. The product was declared it a safety hazard to tiny tykes, pulled, and never made it to market.
Norske-
You’re right, and I’ve seen you post it before. Al Gore works for me…his recent speeches (NYU comes directly to mind) have been pure balls. Of course the wingnut propaganda machine would be relentless in their depiction of Gore as “unhinged”….they’d “Dean Scream” him with that footage. Perhaps the Halls of Wingnutia will have crumbled sufficiently by then, giving him a fighting chance to withstand the dishonest barrage?
Oops! Posted too soon on Hadley: maybe even more important than China arms, I am sure Hadley is along to discuss the North Korea situation. The US desperately needs China’s help as an “honest broker” in trying to tame the NK nuclear beast. Lot’s of luck.
Unless I am wrong, Condi has already made some overtures to China to get them to play ball … I mean ping pong.
But seriously, this is one of the huge blunders of the Bush regime. Iran and NK were and are much greater threats to us than Saddam ever was. China is not going to give anything to Bush for free. For co-operation vis a vis NK, China is going to want some kind of quid pro quo. What that is I don’t know, but there will be something. My guess take the pressure off restrictive trade agreements, not being forced to float the yen too much, stuff like that. Bush put himself in the hole on NK big time by putting his marbles into play in Iraq.
Norske,
I’ve been toying with the same ideas about Gore. Being offstage, staunchly anti-war, etc…..does give him a unique platform.
Percy,
Go ta the doctor, ya drank the Gooper koolaide and swallowed the talkin pointz on Gore but there is an antidote…
syntactically incoherent
electorally inadvisable
morally incontinent
rwcole- Warner seems to be the name that crops up most if you look beyond the Hillary/Biden/Kerry pool. I’d love to see someone with Howard Dean’s fearlessness but the go-along to get-along Democratic establishment poses a formidable roadblock to any candidate that doesn’t fear the truth.
My dream candidate is Barbara Boxer, she’s fearless and polished. I’ll never forget the courage she displayed by questioning the 04 election irregularities and standing with Tubbs-Jones. Feingold, while being a strong anti-war voice doesn’t have the fire….too Kerry-like in his pandering nuance.
Cheney at AEI right now…
paraphrased:
Iraq central front in war on terrorism. Dems are being Dishonest and reprehensible when they say we purposely misled the american people on pre-war intelligence. blah, blah..
Indictable.
would “inbecile” be close enuff for grenades and horseshoes?
“that too has bothered me. why is hadley spending time with bush?”
I did a post on this, but somehow it did not take. Try again.
Hadley is Bush’s current security advisor (took over from Condi). As such I would guess he is along to discuss what the US perceives as a looming military threat from China. Rumsfeld has already been there, done that, a few weeks ago.
Problem is, the US huge trade deficits with China are giving them the bucks they need to beef up their military stance. So the US is between a rock and a hard place on the arms issue. Or, as Bush demonstrated at his press conference, there seems to be NO EXIT.
emptywheel,
that too has bothered me. why is hadley spending time with bush?
Test your word power! it’s the in-game for the end-game.
Sometimes, I find my mind reviewing and cataloging adjectives applicable to Bush that began with “in”: incompetent, incurious, insensitive, insane, intemperate, injudicious, intransigent… (mentally) infarcted?
You try it too! No dictionaries though, no thesaurae. Say no to the reference- based world.
Jay,
The Democratic President in ‘08 has to be “clean as a hound’s tooth”, not responsible for a vote for war, out front against a vote for war, credible and experienced in executive leadership…Al Gore is the only candidate (I guess ya could make a case for Howard Dean) who fits ALL these criterion AND he won a majority of the popular vote once already.
Say “hello” to a Gore/Schweitzer administration.
Clusterfuck to arrive back in the White House tonight— will wash out his toothbrush and head to Crawford post haste- where he will bunker down again…One more brief appearance before Christmas…
He’s gotta start memorizing the state of the Union address.
Even a rootin’ tootin’ cowboy like the Shoot’em Up Chimperor needs to get his ass out of Dodge when things get too hot. (Again. Still?)
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Maybe that wasn’t the original agenda for this Asia trip, but that’s what it became. (I loved the locked-door moment. The Gods, they are a scream.)
As I recall from my years of parental out-loud picture book reading, Curious George was a charming, hyperactive little monkey who was always getting himself into scrapes but things turned out for the best in the end. If not, well, there was always the Man in the Yellow Hat to bail little George out. But I’m sure the Man in the Yellow Hat sometimes had second thoughts about whether he shouldn’t have left George back in the jungle where he belonged (they met when George mistook his yellow hat for a banana). In fact, if the Man in the Yellow Hat had to do it all over again I think he have passed on George. And ditched the hat.
emptywheel,
that too has bothered me. why is hadley spending time with bush?
“good use of taxpayers dollars,” indeed.
What does it cost to operate Air Force One? The figure $35,000 per hour sticks in my mind–crew costs, depreciation, fuel, all those things.
Jay— It should be a governmor for the dems in 08– one who has a track record for fixing fiscal messes and no voting record for goopers to mine..
Warner looks good at this stage.
Oh, the snarks are in the water and hungry today.
Rumors that Bush told Hu he read up on him in the Who’s Who of China are unconfirmed.
More on this at Slime Time News
Clusterfuck is well on his way to becoming a bad joke- he would have made it by now except for the fact that much of what he has done is decidedly unfunny.
I’m guessing president vacant soul would like to fly from Ulan Bator directly to the ranch as the brush has been piling up in his absence.
Good article about how Dems aren’t much help in the drive to stop the war party:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/28491/
Who is the most viable D for 08? Anybody?
Pach
Yeah, the Armitage stuff is something I’d be willing to bet my hat against. What confuses me most about it is the source. It appears (Isikoff leak, Tom Maguire obssession) to have come from Rove, not Libby.
But the Ari red herring (which is part and parcel of the Powell red herring, IMO) makes most sense coming from Libby, since Ari’s the most important witness against Libby.
Now it’s possible that Rove is in charge of leaking for everyone. But that doesn’t seem to jive with the factionalism the leak investigation has caused this WH. And I think, too, of Hadley going to China–POTUS and one of the main OVP allies on a long trip together. What gives?
Laura must have locked the liquor cabinet on AF One.
He had to hurry and get back to the room to raid the mini-bar.
Do you think that Bush is starting to feel like the kid in school that everyone makes fun of when his back is turned?
-GSD
There were stories going around before Bush was first elected in 2000 tht he had only stepped on foreign soil a few times in his life, as in 2 or 3 times as I recall.
Worst. President. Ever.
emptywheel: I agree with your analysis that Armitage is a red herring, and with your reasoning behind it.
Oy. Just heard a clip of Mary Matalin on Imus.
Horribly shameful. “Joe Wilson outed his own wife”..”The criminilization of politics”…”Poor Scooter Libby”….”Bob Woodward is the most honorable man in the business”…..”Everyone is afraid to talk with the press now”(Except every goddamn lawyer in the Plame story).
Every bullet point in the Rove playbook.
-GSD
The man is intellectually dead. Always has been.