Comments on: When You Fail To Plan… http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:06:49 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: MarcLord http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25358 MarcLord Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25358 <p>Sunny,</p> <p>Why should justice be the objective? I’m happy if the objective is simply to get rid of the Cabal before they start nuking things and provoke massive response. Then start mending the busted fences.</p> <p>I want a little revenge, too, and that’s not so wrong, but it seems that justice is too much to ask for. Fitz keeping the pressure on is what’s required. He doesn’t have the weight yet to take out Bush, and can only get to Cheney indirectly, but he doesn’t have to in either case. The worst punishment for these people is to remove them from power. They’re eating America’s young to avoid that, and now they’ll turn on their own.</p> Sunny,

Why should justice be the objective? I’m happy if the objective is simply to get rid of the Cabal before they start nuking things and provoke massive response. Then start mending the busted fences.

I want a little revenge, too, and that’s not so wrong, but it seems that justice is too much to ask for. Fitz keeping the pressure on is what’s required. He doesn’t have the weight yet to take out Bush, and can only get to Cheney indirectly, but he doesn’t have to in either case. The worst punishment for these people is to remove them from power. They’re eating America’s young to avoid that, and now they’ll turn on their own.

]]> By: sunny http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25359 sunny Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25359 <p>MarcLord<br />Have you read John Dean’s open letter to Fitz? It expresses perfectly my frustration with his too -low -key investigation. He certainly could go after espionage charges, take civil action to revoke security clearances of the leakers, and just generally be more aggressive than he has been. Is there really any hope that justice will be done? I don’t know, but I keep hoping against all evidence to the contrary.</p> MarcLord
Have you read John Dean’s open letter to Fitz? It expresses perfectly my frustration with his too -low -key investigation. He certainly could go after espionage charges, take civil action to revoke security clearances of the leakers, and just generally be more aggressive than he has been. Is there really any hope that justice will be done? I don’t know, but I keep hoping against all evidence to the contrary.

]]> By: MarcLord http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25360 MarcLord Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25360 <p>Hi Sunny. You sound pretty bright!</p> <p>(chortle! ohh, I am soooo lame)</p> <p>Yes. antiaristo is right. Brewster Jennings stood in the way of the WMDs that were meant to be injected into Iraq to prove their tautological existence, and amongst other things, VX was stopped in a crummy Turkish warehouse before reaching its destination. The Counterpro people didn’t care by whose order it was shipped under, and they seized the nasty stuff. </p> <p>Cheney blew up and exposed Brewster, then he blew up even bigger when Wilson came back at him and totally wrecked compartmentalization. So yes, you all read correctly, the Plan was to put a lakeful of WMD into Iraq, only it was thwarted by the CIA. Valerie Plame is an honest-to-gosh hero who knowingly put her life and those of others on the line.</p> <p>Counterpro people have probably died off the exposure, and it all falls under the Espionage Act. The missing eight pages in Fitzie’s indictment pertain to national security. Hmmm…and Bush doesn’t benefit from immunity when it comes to espionage. I personally don’t think that Bush will be prosecuted, and wouldn’t be surprised if Cheney isn’t. Whereas John Hannah well might be. </p> <p>The threat of the espionage indictment is the important thing. This dirty laundry doesn’t need to get aired in front of the country (how much press have you heard about Isro-spy Franklin pleading out?) when you can get your targets on incompetence and corruption. Still, Fitzmas stops them from being able to deflect the main thrust of the Abramoff investigation, which is what will really clear the decks. antiaristo, have you seen any direct connection from Abramoff to AIPAC?</p> <p>Conspiracy theory, or political science? You be the judge for now, and time may tell.</p> Hi Sunny. You sound pretty bright!

(chortle! ohh, I am soooo lame)

Yes. antiaristo is right. Brewster Jennings stood in the way of the WMDs that were meant to be injected into Iraq to prove their tautological existence, and amongst other things, VX was stopped in a crummy Turkish warehouse before reaching its destination. The Counterpro people didn’t care by whose order it was shipped under, and they seized the nasty stuff.

Cheney blew up and exposed Brewster, then he blew up even bigger when Wilson came back at him and totally wrecked compartmentalization. So yes, you all read correctly, the Plan was to put a lakeful of WMD into Iraq, only it was thwarted by the CIA. Valerie Plame is an honest-to-gosh hero who knowingly put her life and those of others on the line.

Counterpro people have probably died off the exposure, and it all falls under the Espionage Act. The missing eight pages in Fitzie’s indictment pertain to national security. Hmmm…and Bush doesn’t benefit from immunity when it comes to espionage. I personally don’t think that Bush will be prosecuted, and wouldn’t be surprised if Cheney isn’t. Whereas John Hannah well might be.

The threat of the espionage indictment is the important thing. This dirty laundry doesn’t need to get aired in front of the country (how much press have you heard about Isro-spy Franklin pleading out?) when you can get your targets on incompetence and corruption. Still, Fitzmas stops them from being able to deflect the main thrust of the Abramoff investigation, which is what will really clear the decks. antiaristo, have you seen any direct connection from Abramoff to AIPAC?

Conspiracy theory, or political science? You be the judge for now, and time may tell.

]]> By: sunny http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25361 sunny Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25361 <p>antiaristo, where you been man? Your work on this subject at RI should be required reading for everyone here at FDL. I admire their tenacious hatred of Bushco, but, guys? you are not nearly cynical enough. This barrel of monkeys goes waaaaaaaaay deeper.</p> antiaristo, where you been man? Your work on this subject at RI should be required reading for everyone here at FDL. I admire their tenacious hatred of Bushco, but, guys? you are not nearly cynical enough. This barrel of monkeys goes waaaaaaaaay deeper.

]]> By: daCascadian http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25362 daCascadian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25362 <p>Just catchin up on the stuff here & I must say Jane & ReddHedd have been “on fire” these last few days</p> <p>Wonderful stuff</p> <p>Keep it up !</p> <p>Semper Fi</p> Just catchin up on the stuff here & I must say Jane & ReddHedd have been “on fire” these last few days

Wonderful stuff

Keep it up !

Semper Fi

]]> By: Shez http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25363 Shez Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25363 <p>I’m impressed with the profound levels of this thread today. Thanks, I needed that. I’m spiritual not religious, I step outside to enter my church the cathedral of Nature. I feel blessed to be able to commune here with All Our Relations.</p> I’m impressed with the profound levels of this thread today. Thanks, I needed that. I’m spiritual not religious, I step outside to enter my church the cathedral of Nature. I feel blessed to be able to commune here with All Our Relations.

]]> By: Karen Allen http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25364 Karen Allen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25364 <p>Hope this hasn’t been linked previously. Here’s the video of Bushboy trying to exit:</p> <p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ifs_news/hi/nb_rm_fs.stm?checkedBandwidth=nb&nbram=1&subtitles=hide&checkedMedia=ram&news=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&nol_storyid=4455316">http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavcon.....id=4455316</a></p> Hope this hasn’t been linked previously. Here’s the video of Bushboy trying to exit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavcon…..id=4455316

]]> By: Wilson46201 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25365 Wilson46201 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25365 <p>thread nouvelle (froggish enuff fer ya?)</p> thread nouvelle (froggish enuff fer ya?)

]]> By: Sam http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25366 Sam Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25366 <p>Sorry for the inaccurate web-site.<br />here it is for the Rumsfeld article.<br />go to http//www.robert.fisk.com<br />then on the left sidebar click<br />Latest Headlines (MyAnti-war.org)<br />scroll down and you will find it.</p> Sorry for the inaccurate web-site.
here it is for the Rumsfeld article.
go to http//www.robert.fisk.com
then on the left sidebar click
Latest Headlines (MyAnti-war.org)
scroll down and you will find it.

]]> By: Eli http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25367 Eli Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/20/when-you-fail-to-plan/#comment-25367 <p>I meant BOTH Landstuhl and stateside.</p> I meant BOTH Landstuhl and stateside.

]]>