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		<title>By: Gentleman Jim</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/19/i-call-double-super-secret-bullshit/#comment-24156</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentleman Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bob ‘Judy’ Woodward is a Skull n Bones, ‘Naval Intelligence’ creation from day one folks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He is The Manchurian Presstitute, bought and sold a LONG time ago. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He has become of late however, a ‘compromised asset’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like the end in Fargo, time to chuck him in the wood chipper.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob ‘Judy’ Woodward is a Skull n Bones, ‘Naval Intelligence’ creation from day one folks.</p>
<p>He is The Manchurian Presstitute, bought and sold a LONG time ago. </p>
<p>He has become of late however, a ‘compromised asset’</p>
<p>Like the end in Fargo, time to chuck him in the wood chipper.<br />.</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/19/i-call-double-super-secret-bullshit/#comment-24157</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you think that Chimpy could be Bob’s source?  Wasn’t there a three-hour Bob-Bush talkathon for the book about the same time as the “leak”?  And mightn’t that explain Fitz’s trip to Chimpy’s personal attorney the morning of the Libby indictment?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chimpy’s not a lawyer — he might not get that his disclosure would not get Libby off the hook. either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think that Chimpy could be Bob’s source?  Wasn’t there a three-hour Bob-Bush talkathon for the book about the same time as the “leak”?  And mightn’t that explain Fitz’s trip to Chimpy’s personal attorney the morning of the Libby indictment?</p>
<p>Chimpy’s not a lawyer — he might not get that his disclosure would not get Libby off the hook. either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/19/i-call-double-super-secret-bullshit/#comment-24158</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;emptywheel - I think the story you’re talking about was from Entous at Reuters:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&amp;storyID=nN18114899&quot;&gt;http://today.reuters.com/busin.....nN18114899&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With the theory that Rove’s tip outed Mr. X, what happened after that?  Is the idea that Fitzgerald went to Mr. X, so that Woodward’s story is just complete bs?  Or that Fitzgerald went to Woodward?  Or what?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>emptywheel &#8211; I think the story you’re talking about was from Entous at Reuters:</p>
<p><a href="http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&amp;storyID=nN18114899">http://today.reuters.com/busin&#8230;..nN18114899</a></p>
<p>With the theory that Rove’s tip outed Mr. X, what happened after that?  Is the idea that Fitzgerald went to Mr. X, so that Woodward’s story is just complete bs?  Or that Fitzgerald went to Woodward?  Or what?</p>
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		<title>By: MarcLord</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/19/i-call-double-super-secret-bullshit/#comment-24159</link>
		<dc:creator>MarcLord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When Rove was about 20 years old, he saw Dubya and thought, “A-ha, here is the clay I will work with to take the country over.” When he was about 15, he was reading Machiavelli and thinking about how to shore up its weaknesses and apply its strengths in the media age. Rove coined Dirty Tricks and used them to become the (unelected) chair of the Young Republicans, then wrote to Bush One, who put him under the most gifted back-room Bush-bot of the time, Lee Atwater. Lee set Larl loose to run Dirty Tricks under Nixon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So: how is Rove NOT  behind Woodward’s exegesis? He might not be the source…but he controlled the source. Exposing Woody will lead to the Yellowcake, and will slowly crucify one of Rove’s oldest enemies. Karl’s in Kontrol.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Rove was about 20 years old, he saw Dubya and thought, “A-ha, here is the clay I will work with to take the country over.” When he was about 15, he was reading Machiavelli and thinking about how to shore up its weaknesses and apply its strengths in the media age. Rove coined Dirty Tricks and used them to become the (unelected) chair of the Young Republicans, then wrote to Bush One, who put him under the most gifted back-room Bush-bot of the time, Lee Atwater. Lee set Larl loose to run Dirty Tricks under Nixon.</p>
<p>So: how is Rove NOT  behind Woodward’s exegesis? He might not be the source…but he controlled the source. Exposing Woody will lead to the Yellowcake, and will slowly crucify one of Rove’s oldest enemies. Karl’s in Kontrol.</p>
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		<title>By: bossanova</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/19/i-call-double-super-secret-bullshit/#comment-24160</link>
		<dc:creator>bossanova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its the double dealing that makes me want to throw up. The behavior of Ms &amp; Mr. Run Amok and the whole lot of so-called reporters and their intentional role in propaganda dissemination under the guise of journalism is provoking a crisis of confidence in the veracity of the media.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Add to that the incredible story linked to on an earlier thread in Rolling Stone. This is an absolute must read. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/8798997?rnd=1132370690329&amp;has-player=unknown&quot;&gt;http://www.rollingstone.com/po.....er=unknown&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Billions of taxpayer dollars spent on a calculated deception of us the taxpayer with direct evidence of the role of Judy Miller and others in the subversion of the truth and manipulation of the public through deceptive propoganda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How should an open society respond when its government and media collude to use our money to deceive us to promote their narrow agenda? This looks like the beginning of 21st century fascism.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the double dealing that makes me want to throw up. The behavior of Ms &amp; Mr. Run Amok and the whole lot of so-called reporters and their intentional role in propaganda dissemination under the guise of journalism is provoking a crisis of confidence in the veracity of the media.</p>
<p>Add to that the incredible story linked to on an earlier thread in Rolling Stone. This is an absolute must read. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/8798997?rnd=1132370690329&amp;has-player=unknown">http://www.rollingstone.com/po&#8230;..er=unknown</a></p>
<p>Billions of taxpayer dollars spent on a calculated deception of us the taxpayer with direct evidence of the role of Judy Miller and others in the subversion of the truth and manipulation of the public through deceptive propoganda.</p>
<p>How should an open society respond when its government and media collude to use our money to deceive us to promote their narrow agenda? This looks like the beginning of 21st century fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: san mateo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/11/19/i-call-double-super-secret-bullshit/#comment-24161</link>
		<dc:creator>san mateo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rove and Mr. Run-Amok seem like kindred spirits, both working behind the scenes, both kissing up to power, both self-important back-stabbing, self-serving blowhards, that it’s easy to imagine them blowing evil hot air at each other.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Woodward’s got to go:  He is not a journalist; he’s a sycophant.  He needs to resign because his pants are on fire.  I hope Downie comes to his senses because the Post is losing its status because of this.  Fire Woodward.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, it’s true, if Woodward is such a great investigative reporter, why wasn’t he assigned to this story a long, long, time ago?  Woodward is another prima donna who’s got to go.  He’s bringing journalism down every minute he’s still employed by the Post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rove and Mr. Run-Amok seem like kindred spirits, both working behind the scenes, both kissing up to power, both self-important back-stabbing, self-serving blowhards, that it’s easy to imagine them blowing evil hot air at each other.  </p>
<p>Woodward’s got to go:  He is not a journalist; he’s a sycophant.  He needs to resign because his pants are on fire.  I hope Downie comes to his senses because the Post is losing its status because of this.  Fire Woodward.  </p>
<p>And, it’s true, if Woodward is such a great investigative reporter, why wasn’t he assigned to this story a long, long, time ago?  Woodward is another prima donna who’s got to go.  He’s bringing journalism down every minute he’s still employed by the Post.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay, some random thoughts:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Rove isn’t Mr. X. Rather, I agree with those who believe his tip to Fitz outed Mr. X.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, I think Mr. X is still likely to be Hadley or Cheney. I think Cheney is more consistent with Booby’s “I wish the first leaker was Libby.” Why would Libby be preferable to Hadley?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But here are some other thoughts. Hadley didn’t get indicted, in spite of his reported belief he would be. Condi had to run back from Canada at the drop of a hat (althogh before Rove is thought to have thrown Fitz his tip). I guess it would make sense to hold off on indicting Hadley so you could, um, flesh it out.Right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But here’s another thought. Why go ahead and indict Libby? If you had gotten a tip that Libby wasn’t first, don’t you think you’d shift the way you presented his indictment, back off any claims that he was first? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So it is unlikely that Rove’s tip resulted in Hadley not getting indicted–something else did that. (Or, is it possible that HADLEY is the one who flipped on Mr. X, and that’s why he didn’t get indicted and that’s why he’s so dodgy about whether he’s Mr. X?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And again, as I’ve been harping on, why is Woodward hiding the date of the Mr. X leak with all his efforts?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, some random thoughts:</p>
<p>I think Rove isn’t Mr. X. Rather, I agree with those who believe his tip to Fitz outed Mr. X.</p>
<p>Now, I think Mr. X is still likely to be Hadley or Cheney. I think Cheney is more consistent with Booby’s “I wish the first leaker was Libby.” Why would Libby be preferable to Hadley?</p>
<p>But here are some other thoughts. Hadley didn’t get indicted, in spite of his reported belief he would be. Condi had to run back from Canada at the drop of a hat (althogh before Rove is thought to have thrown Fitz his tip). I guess it would make sense to hold off on indicting Hadley so you could, um, flesh it out.Right.</p>
<p>But here’s another thought. Why go ahead and indict Libby? If you had gotten a tip that Libby wasn’t first, don’t you think you’d shift the way you presented his indictment, back off any claims that he was first? </p>
<p>So it is unlikely that Rove’s tip resulted in Hadley not getting indicted–something else did that. (Or, is it possible that HADLEY is the one who flipped on Mr. X, and that’s why he didn’t get indicted and that’s why he’s so dodgy about whether he’s Mr. X?)</p>
<p>And again, as I’ve been harping on, why is Woodward hiding the date of the Mr. X leak with all his efforts?</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Titanically, there are not enough lifeboats for these hydrosliders.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Titanically, there are not enough lifeboats for these hydrosliders.</p>
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		<title>By: Norske Flamethower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norske Flamethower</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;rwcole,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wadiya mean “It’s not a pretty picture”…the only photo prettier will be the Chimp’s mugshot taken before the espionage trial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OK, I’ll go have that valium and tea now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rwcole,</p>
<p>Wadiya mean “It’s not a pretty picture”…the only photo prettier will be the Chimp’s mugshot taken before the espionage trial.</p>
<p>OK, I’ll go have that valium and tea now.</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well I certainly can’t figure out who Woody’s source was- or why he and the source decided to come forward– &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s clear that Woody is a dedicated Clusterfuck enabler and loves his own ass- so those were certainly his moitivations..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All these bastards are taking advantage of the fact that Fitzy can’t/won’t talk right now- so lyin at the moment has few adverse consequences.. Everyone is denying everything and will continue to until more indictments come out.. I give up on trying to figure it out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that Fitzy will produce more indictments– there’s no reason for him to be doing what he’s doing otherwise…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I still think that he let Rove walk for now because the evidence against Rove is too tied up with evidence for the big bust and he can’t put himself in a position of giving Rove’s lawyers access to it prematurely. Rove’s story that he talke Fitzy into holding off on the indictments with his bullshit arguments is laughable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s worst nightmare time for Clusterfuck. If Fitzy would come out with the indictments- Clusterfuck could figure out how to deal with it– as it is now– he is paralyzed. His administration is going down the tubes and he is unable to fight back. He SHOULD at least put Rove on leave of absence and cut Cheney’s balls off–give him NO role in the govt.- but he doesn’t do this- partly because he’s an idiot and  partly because HE HIMSELF may be a target– and he can’t afford to set a precedent by condemning the actions of those involved. He may be forced to defend those actions down the road if he ends up being in the same lifeboat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The political situation is somewhat clearer than the legal situation..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The govt. is falling- right before our eyes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clusterfuck goes to Korea and is met with thousands of demonstrators burning him in effigy. WHILE HE IS IN THE COUNTRY, the south koreans announce that they will reduce their troops committed to Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The guy who wanted to control the world is now faced with the truth that the world is spinning way out of his control– he ignored diplomacy and alliance building as a matter of policy- and it is biting him in the ass big time.. In the last two weeks- he has been embarassed more publicly than any president since Nixon. His own party is imploding. He can’t control the moderates- cause he spent five years shitting all over them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His incompetence and lack of leadership skills are outweighed only by his total arrogance..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not a pretty picture.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I certainly can’t figure out who Woody’s source was- or why he and the source decided to come forward– </p>
<p>It’s clear that Woody is a dedicated Clusterfuck enabler and loves his own ass- so those were certainly his moitivations..</p>
<p>All these bastards are taking advantage of the fact that Fitzy can’t/won’t talk right now- so lyin at the moment has few adverse consequences.. Everyone is denying everything and will continue to until more indictments come out.. I give up on trying to figure it out.</p>
<p>I think that Fitzy will produce more indictments– there’s no reason for him to be doing what he’s doing otherwise…</p>
<p>I still think that he let Rove walk for now because the evidence against Rove is too tied up with evidence for the big bust and he can’t put himself in a position of giving Rove’s lawyers access to it prematurely. Rove’s story that he talke Fitzy into holding off on the indictments with his bullshit arguments is laughable.</p>
<p>It’s worst nightmare time for Clusterfuck. If Fitzy would come out with the indictments- Clusterfuck could figure out how to deal with it– as it is now– he is paralyzed. His administration is going down the tubes and he is unable to fight back. He SHOULD at least put Rove on leave of absence and cut Cheney’s balls off–give him NO role in the govt.- but he doesn’t do this- partly because he’s an idiot and  partly because HE HIMSELF may be a target– and he can’t afford to set a precedent by condemning the actions of those involved. He may be forced to defend those actions down the road if he ends up being in the same lifeboat.</p>
<p>The political situation is somewhat clearer than the legal situation..</p>
<p>The govt. is falling- right before our eyes.</p>
<p>Clusterfuck goes to Korea and is met with thousands of demonstrators burning him in effigy. WHILE HE IS IN THE COUNTRY, the south koreans announce that they will reduce their troops committed to Iraq.</p>
<p>The guy who wanted to control the world is now faced with the truth that the world is spinning way out of his control– he ignored diplomacy and alliance building as a matter of policy- and it is biting him in the ass big time.. In the last two weeks- he has been embarassed more publicly than any president since Nixon. His own party is imploding. He can’t control the moderates- cause he spent five years shitting all over them.</p>
<p>His incompetence and lack of leadership skills are outweighed only by his total arrogance..</p>
<p>It’s not a pretty picture.</p>
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