Howard Kurtz is a little peevish this morning. And well he should be — the WaPo having had to deal with the load of dung that Booby dumped in their collective laps, having kept his yap shut for more than two years on the big story the rest of the newsroom has been chasing down the whole time.
But in true Kurtzian fashion, he allows other people’s words to speak for him:
“It just looks really bad,” said Eric Boehlert, a Rolling Stone contributing editor and author of a forthcoming book on the administration and the press. “It looks like what people have been saying about Bob Woodward for the past five years, that he’s become a stenographer for the Bush White House.”Said New York University journalism professor Jay Rosen: “Bob Woodward has gone wholly into access journalism.”
Robert Zelnick, chairman of Boston University’s journalism department, said: “It was incumbent upon a journalist, even one of Woodward’s stature, to inform his editors. . . . Bob is justifiably an icon of our profession — he has earned that many times over — but in this case his judgment was erroneous.”
The Kurtz story does contain a very interesting nugget, that I think indicates that Booby’s source gave him a heads up — before Libby was indicted — that he was going to talk with Fitz.
The administration source who originally told Woodward about Plame approached the prosecutor recently to alert him to his 2003 conversation with Woodward. The source had not yet contacted Fitzgerald when Woodward notified Downie about their conversation, Woodward said.
The wording of this short paragraph is a little stilted, which said to me that Kurtz reworked it with a lawyer looking over his shoulder to be certain that someone’s legal jeopardy wasn’t triggered in any way. But what it says to me is that Booby got a call or e-mail or something telling him that Fitz was about to be apprised of his little secret. And he ran to Downie to do some personal reputation damage control.
But what does this say about Fitz? Did the source notify him before the Libby indictment had been voted out of the Grand Jury — or only after? No way to know at this stage in the reporting, but in my mind either way, it doesn’t matter one whit to Libby’s indictment. (fwiw, Jeralyn agrees with me on this issue, so it isn’t just my prosecutor wishful thinking on the read of the indictment and public facts.)
But back to Booby. Other journalists and commentators are piling on as well.
Have to say: I agree with Jack Shafer in Slate on this point — the decided lack of curiosity in following the lead on this “gossip” comment after the Novak story hit the wires (or the deliberate lack of following it because Booby didn’t want to damage his monetarily valuable contacts at the WH) is appalling.
What sort of journalist publishes a “statement” in his paper as opposed to writing a story? What sort of journalist refuses to talk to his own newspaper when making such a revelation, as Woodward did? Today’s story reads, “Woodward declined to elaborate on the statement he released to the Post late yesterday afternoon and publicly last night. He would not answer any questions, including those not governed by his confidentiality agreement with source.”But wait, I have additional digressions! What sort of journalist, even one writing a book—Woodward is always working on a book—withholds blockbuster information about a major investigation, prosecution, and First Amendment battle from his editors until the 11th hour, as Woodward did? According to the Post story, he only told them last month. What sort of journalist doesn’t use the information he’s had since mid-June 2003 to break bigger news about the subject? Was he worried about the legal exposure his bosses might suffer? Or was he holding on to it—and his access to top officials in an unfolding story—for his book?
Along those same lines, Will Bunch has an excellent post on Attytood about those same issues, along with some thoughts that I’m certain a whole lot of journalists have been having over the last 48 hours.
Quite a bit to go through in my in-box this morning, and a whole lot of information being tossed out across the newswires and the blogosphere. But one last bit for now: if you missed yesterday’s Froomkin column, it was a great one. And well worth a read, if only for the clear snark oozing out from his contacts with other WaPo reporters about dear, old Booby.
UPDATE: And just so there is no question, I heart Digby. This is an exceptional post.
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Pach
I totally agree with you!! When Libby was spilling his guts out to Investigators, Ashcroft had not yet recused himself. I’m sure they were banking on his “help” in making this go away because he would never have pressed the Press to reveal their sources. OOOPs!
You are so right, John Pearley Huffman. The public lacks any interest whatever in “growing fleet” of BushCo. scandals. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
One more post: The Kyle amendment is going
to be voted on in the Judicary committee and
sent to the Senate. This amendment speeds
up the killing of people on Death Row. check
it out. These fuckers in the Senate are truly
living in a culture of death. More and more
killing, more and more denial of human rights,
and rights of privacy and habeus corpus.
I sure hope the Dem’s filibuster this and
Allito.
To change the thread for a moment to
an earlier post about 60th year since 1st
Nuremberg Trial.
Guardian Unlimited has a story up quoting
Pinochet, (remember Kissenger and Allende)
saying:
“I suffer from these losses. God does his deeds.
He will pardon me if I exceed in some, which
I don’t think.”
“Everything I did, all that I carried out, all the
problems I had, I dedicate to God.”
a Chilean editor said about Pinochet;
“he’s an old fox and that he can find words
to justify what he did.”
Remember Bush saying he is directed by God.
Let’s remember Pinochet’s words down the
road hopefully when this administration will be held accountable.
I suggest GWB not choose to land in Spain on
vacation when he leaves office.
I suspect your problems are concidence, but if your ISP has the history you describe, then get another ISP, ccow!
New thread, y’all.
And since this one will be moving slowly from now on I’m gonna throw some conspiracy this way.
I’m slowly being cut off from visiting many of the links posted here. I can’t reach the newest in Redd’s new article either without being booted off the net altogether.
Yeah, I’m a nobody, but I did post here that DeLay is a member of Second Baptist Church and I think I’m paying for it. I’m on a server that has been outed for destroying links for its members.
But I have another way to read the links so I’ll be doing that and probably posting less. (Maybe that’s a good thing!)
Keep up the good work.
coyote: “…russ feingold can attack. he’s been against the war from the beginning. a few others can do this as well, but not that many.”
Senators that voted against the war resolution:
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)
As an aside, just heard the money quote of the day so far, on CNN (by Hunter ?, can’t see my TV for the plants)
“The American people must change the world, or the world will change the American people.”
The Kurtz story does contain a very interesting nugget, that I think indicates that Booby’s source gave him a heads up — before Libby was indicted — that he was going to talk with Fitz.
See, that’s why this blog is brilliant. I read the “stilted paragraph” and thought, “There’s something there that doesn’t make sense. Kurtz seems to be saying that Booby WoodMill went to his editor and his source went to Fitz at the same time as pure coincidence. How is that possible?”
Clearly, I’m not bright enough to read between the lines, but thankfully Redd is. Thanks, Redd!!!
Oh, and Jay Rosen’s full quote upthread is classic!
Though I’m clearly a simpleton, I for the life of me don’t understand how WoodMill makes Fitz’s life “more complicated” as it relates to prosecuting Scooter, Anastasia. Either Scooter lied under oath and while being deposed or he didn’t. The indictment makes a strong case that he did and that his reason for doing so was to conceal something. Woodmill and other conversations involving others has no bearing on this, as far as I can see.
I never called anyone a troll.
I commented on a comment about trolls.
Please practice literacy.
At the risk of being called a troll once more…
All the Woodward crack-up/crank-up/fuck-up does is further muddy the already foul waters around this story. And the muddier things become, the harder they are to make sense of to either a jury or the American public.
Back in 1972, 1973 and 1974 the further into Watergate the investigations went the clearer Nixon’s perfidy and paranoia became. This “scandal” (it barely rates that) seems to only grow more indistinct as time goes on. Fitzgerald wil have a tough time criminalizing what has apparently been standard operating procedure — the workaday relationships between journalists and government officials in Washington.
Maybe there will be some sort of clarifying moment. Or a witness who can bundle all this into something comprehensible and prosecutable. It’s possible. But I doubt it.
The outing of a deep cover CIA operative is obviously a serious thing. But the evidence that Valerie Plame was anything near that is scant. So we’re left with derivative prosecutions for what someone said to someone and whether they were upfront with a grand jury about saying it. This isn’t an easy sell.
About the only good thing to come from the Woodward revelation is that it opens up a fresh vein of speculation. For the next few days we can all obsess over identifying who leaked to Bob. At least that’s fun.
This whole thing is going nowhere. Scooter Libby might as well fire his criminal attorney now.
The post on Lame Man’s blog from which that paragraph came was snarky, not trolly. Lame Man, or whoever posted that here did not do a very good job of indicating the snark, and it sure as hell came across as trollish. That’s my snark hunting for today.
This is a post for M going back to the last thread. (s)he asked about the paper Woodward had in his pocket on Larry King the night before Fitzmas.
It may have been either the relevant pages from the SSCI (which is accessible to everyone) or it could have been the actual CIA report on Wilson’s trip (which, AFAIK, is still classified). If it were the latter, it would be significant, because that is probably what BushCo was trying to declassify the week of the Plame leak, but they seem not to have been able to convince CIA to do that. And, as I explain here and here, it was pretty misleading and allowed BushCo to try to make some pretty astounding claims about Wilson. If Woodward was a witness to those attempts it’d be pretty damning, to Woodward.
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..-page.html
Or is this all playing into Booby’s hands?
Bernstein’s comments were a disappointment this morning. Obviously, he was pressured from both sides of the issue to come forth, but maybe he’s settled into resting on his laurels.
Having learned systems theory some time back
I realize that for the Democratic party to have
any chance of having their message ring true
with integrity and their program for America
to be allowed in power, their message must
be carried by politicans who HAVE INTEGRITY.
Practically speaking we need all the
democrats we can get to stay elected to take
back the Congress. Those infected by the virus
of corruption, supporting the war etc…..let
them sincerely atone and we the people will
forgive them and nurse them back to political
health.
Aw, thanks. I’ll shut up. LOL
Thanks, Anastasia. I’ll admit to being less than upbeat. When we’re on a roll, I’d like to stay there, but I get pissed when a party member fouls up too.
Booby who? ;) CNN is all over Murtha’s call to withdraw from Iraq, they keep bringing up the torture, etc. Saying Murtha is way out ahead on these ideas. Focus is back on Iraq and the Repub.. ahem… problems.
pssst ccow, you are not the troll of Wilson’s siren, no, it’s handle matched the post, with the operative word being Lame.
Not you ccow- read back.
Anastasia– I don’t think that was the target. Read back.
Pach, I am not a troll. I’m neither someone who is willing to overlook what can siderail the Democrats. I’m looking for a way around that and I’m a bit surprised that you, of all people, wouldn’t do the same.
I agree with lgf because we need clear voices to further the Democratic cause. But I never sweep anything under the rug. Shame. Shame.
I take back everything I just said,
I just saw the Air Supply Christmas album.
We are doomed…DOOMED!!!!
rw: agreed. But when we ignore them we seem to be able to bore them to death and they leave.
jdw– Sure looks that way– I noticed Woody’s reference to “testifying for a grand jury” yesterday– but assumed that it was an existing grand jury- as Fitzy said he could use.
If he’s empaneling his own new grand jury- that’s a change.
Of course “new grand jury” doesn’t necessarily mean “exlusive to Fitzy”.
I would think that the media would be staking this one out– it’s important to them.
Wilson46201 – although I usually agree with your posts, I’m not sure ccow’s post was trolling so much as it was a heads-up.
Something I’ve noticed that happens in political groups is the tendency for people to turn on each other, even though they share the same values and goals.
The Press office in the 1980 Carter campaign was more like a mosh pit than a group of people trying to get the President of the United States re-elected.
Even though the office furniture was crummy casts offs that they had managed to scrounge, you wouldn’t believe the fights over who got which, falling apart desk.
Obvious trolls; yes, go after them! But lets leave some space for members to post less than upbeat comments, too.
Kathi: I have believed for some time that there was a conscious effort to seed the press corps with enough leaks to get the word out, so that any potential culpability by the WHIG would have been laundered through the press. That was always the plan, and it probably came from a palybook whose plays hed already been run many times before.
But the problem here is that Fitzgerald went after the press firewall, something the WHIG never believed could or would occur, ever.
Pacha– Well they are– but these guys will destroy any sane discussion they can based on general principles.
dan
the democrats must be very careful. they must be especially disciplined in the language they use about bush, not because he’s bush but because he’s the president. the democrats must speak up but not act self-righteous. they’re too much implicated in the iraq situation to do that. russ feingold can attack. he’s been against the war from the beginning. a few others can do this as well, but not that many.
leaving iraq will be extraordinarily tricky and painful. the odds are huge that something we don’t want to happen will happen, either a civil bloodbath or a close alliance with iran, or both. this is possible no matter what we do. if we stay we can delay this happening but the american public won’t stand for it much longer.
bush’s policy is bankrupt and we’ve been screwed. god bless the soldiers and the veterans of this disaster. what an unwanted burden they must bear!
unless i’m reading this wrong, it looks like fitz may be empanelling a new GJ.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/17/123816/81
Why hasn’t anyone in the MSM questioned Woodward as to why he granted confidentiality to “gossip”?
Damned good question— and one can generalize that question…
Did Woody offer confidentiality to EVERYTHING he heard from these nit wits? Seems like it– he had to go back to Card to get his permission to say that he did NOT discuss Plame with him..
Sounds as if Woody agreed not to print anything unless he got advance permission.
That’s VERY different from the normal journalistic promise of confidentiality for a specific story.
“Reading all the stories about Woodward’s metamorphosis from Watergate hero to Plamegate pariah brought the Kafka book to mind: one day he is a media star, the next day he has become a loathed insect.”
He was ALWAYS a loathed insect.
The trolls think we don’tknow what was in the indictment. Libby is charged with lying with Fitz. It’s as open and shut as it gets. Nothing Booby has to say alters that one little bit.
Rememebr Fitz didn’t charge Libby with the leak because he knows the real story of the link is bigger, and involves quite a number of people — as we’re learning.
Fitz is simply serving notice that he means business.
Sending Judy Miller’s scuzzy ass to the slammer was part one. Indicting Libby for being the lying sack of shit that he is was part two.
Stay tuned for part three folks — it’s gonna be wild.
ccow,
If you’re referring to my link to The Next Hurrah it works for me still.
Try again, I guess. Or just punch in their URL. Hope that helps.
–
If the trolls are back then the freeper crowd must be feeling the heat anew.
The theme Culture of Corruption and
Deceit will only work if it is presented with
the Theme of A Government For the People
and by the People. A government that is not
in denial of the difficult issues facing the
nation and the world. A theme of a competent
government not beholden to corporations,
military industrial complex, christian zealots
and financial cabals like the Carlisle group.
The Democrats have their house to clean as
well. Some have the virulent virus too.
Abramoff has infected across the brain-barrier
of politics. Time to clean house and retake the
Congress first. Then the White House in 08
and appoint Fitzgerald Attorney General.
Why hasn’t anyone in the MSM questioned Woodward as to why he granted confidentiality to “gossip”? If it’s truly gossip then there was never a need to hide the source. Since Bobby has hidden the source, it seems that he is also hiding something else.
Dan– the last I heard- the Iraqi armoured group consisted of ONE 1950’s vintage soviet tank that had been put together with bailing wire- they may have found a few more- don’t know.
Interesting, J. I linked to your article and it disappeared once it fully downloaded. Now I get a blank, blue page.
rw
I read report recently that refurbished Russian tanks where delivered to the Iraqis, meaning the Badr militia.
For more on the significance of Congressman Murtha’s call to begin removing troops from Iraq immediately see KagroX’s post over at The Next Hurrah.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
–
OK, I read Jeralyns piece and pulled this paragraph: When he passed the information on to reporters Cooper and Miller late in the week, he passed it on thinking it was just information he received from reporters; that he told reporters that, in fact, he didn’t even know if it were true. He was just passing gossip from one reporter to another at the long end of a chain of phone calls.
I picked up on this because of the word , “Gossip.”
You can go over the time line of events and who talked to who when and as you do, I believe a pattern begins to emerge.
What seems to have ahppened to me, is that all these reporters were set up. It also seems to me that it was rehearsed and orchestrated. Libby’s statements to th GJ and investigators makes is seem as though it were all just gossip as usual, as Bob Woodward indicated. I believe he also used the word gossip.
I think the perps maybe knew that none of the journalists might publish Valerie Plames name and status if they knew she was a covert agent, so they had to make it seem casual and offhanded so as not to send up any red flags, thus assuring that at least one or maybe more of the reporters would, “take the bait!”
I’ll even take a bolder step on the conspiracy theory and the use of code type wording of their communications, especially the electronic ones.
Rove sent his E-Mail to Hadley AFTER he talked to Matt Cooper, and told Hadley, “I didn’t take the bait!” Maybe what he really telling Hadley was that Cooper HAD taken the bait, or at least that Rove had thrown out the bait to Cooper.
Did I forget to mention the majority of Americans believe in a woman’s right to choose?
I can’t wait until they bring that chump Alito in front of the public and filibuster…
“Davis says, “We can control the agenda if we get one.”
Thank you Rep Davis for admitting you guys have no real agenda to help the American citizens, and proving you have to keep ripping off actual agenda’s that Dems DO come up with and have had all along. Your only true agenda has been to rip off the American public.
Good show, wyonate. I’ll keep trucking.
Wag the Dog
Perhaps when Bush is finished with his
grand master plan for the Middle East,
remember Micael Ladeen’s “creative
destruction” phrase, there will be no need
for Iraq to defend itself.
Syria and Iran will be taken out and we
will just have chaos there.
or does Bush really think we can militarily
stay in Iraq with spending 70b a year?
Congress must step in and do their job.
either put meat hooks in Bush and hang him
up or Impeach him.
There seems to be a sense of uneasiness or fear penetrating blogs focused on holding this WH accountable due to the Woodward scandal.
People seem to be waiting for the other shoe to drop, or the GOP version of “The Empire Strikes Back”. Its not coming.
Me has set an excellent example by applying constant pressure to the Hill and MSM. Please continue this fight. The Rust Belt, The South, and Midwest should be all of our focus right now. If you have friends, contacts, or you are affiliated with a group, i.e.; Move on, labor unions, DNC, get on the ball and help persuade them to pressure their Sens and Reps to do the right thing.
Plame leak getting muddled in the MSM? That’s Ok, Cheney and Oil Execs secret meeting (remember they might have provided false testimony?).
January, Enron trial begins…
Tom Delay still indicted…
Ohio GOP investigation just rolling…
Frist…
Iraq…
They have zero for good news.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but it seems like winter finally hit Wyoming, and since the energy companies can’t resist gouging the consumer, how can this possibly help the GOP?
They are sunk. To quote the movie Braveheart,
“Hold” “Hooold” “Hooooold”!
Now sic ‘em
Sorry, Wilson, but it’s timely. We need Harry Reid’s voice.
Fitz didn’t know about the timing of Woody’s disclosure (if Woody’s story is accurate) even if he knew about it generally or he wouldn’t have stated ” Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson.” I have every faith that Fitzgerald is scrupulously honest and accurate in what he says.
But my question is, when will Woodward be fired by the Post? Is that lame apology enough?
do not feed the trolls — that is all — we now return to our regularly scheduled programming
Being an enabler isn’t good for the Dems right now either. Some, including Harry Reid, have just been named as one who accepted money, ultimately through Abramoff, to help get the casino deal rejected.
Not looking good, folks right now, folks. HuffPo has a link.
suntzu,
Wonderful post!
Breaking news! It has been revealed that there were at least two other conversations in June 2003 between administration officials and journalists that WERE NOT mentioned by Fitzgerald in the indictment or at his press conference! It is not known what was discussed in those conversations, but it is clear that they took place, and that Fitzgerald failed to mention them. This raises additional questions: is Fitzgerald a drooling incompetent, and will he now be forced to drop the charges against Libby and issue a public apology in the Rose Garden, naked except for a red and white Santa hat?
Just to remind you all that a few days from now is the 60th anniversary of the start of the first Nuremberg trial:
November 20, 1945 to October 1, 1946.
(The International Military Tribunal was opened on October 18, 1945.)
I don’t think I need to comment on the irony.
When I was in high school the first Kafka book I read was Metamorposis. Recalling from memory, the story begins: “When Gregor Samsa woke up one morning he discovered that he had turned into a giant insect.”
Reading all the stories about Woodward’s metamorphosis from Watergate hero to Plamegate pariah brought the Kafka book to mind: one day he is a media star, the next day he has become a loathed insect.
What is Woodward thinking right now? I doubt if it is anything Kafka-esque, in which the hero usually finds failing in himself. He will probably go down trying to justify himself, like someone else from recent memory. But he most assuredly is wondering how he has suddenly become a loathed insect.
The Clustefuck statements about Iraq are all lies- including “when they stand up- we’ll stand down”
What that MEANS is that if they ever get enough footsoldiers to do the dyin- we’ll turn that over to em– we’ll do the rest for the rest of history.
The fact that Clusterfuck has no plan to leave Iraq EVER- is obvious- but no one in the media has really attacked this issue much.
In order to survive- and Iraq military would need an infantry, an airforce, an artillery, and armour.
While Bush is sorta tryin to produce an underequipped infantry (he won’t give em any weapons that could be used on US)- he has ZERO plans in other areas– the planned Iraqi air force is to have less than ten planes– there is ONE tank in the current Iraqi armour- and so on.
Add to that the permanent military bases that are being built- and the total picture is compelling.. I can’t figure out why questions aren’t being raised about it.
Note to Self. Add “Republican Slogans of Subterfuge” and “Republican Slogans of Subversion” to growing arsenal.
And Welcome sweetp, yes FDL is a daily fix of must read. Trolls don’t have a prayer in hell around here. The Light blinds them so much they can’t type for long, so they scurry right back to their mole holes. They’re an endangered species, about to become official.
rw
As you posted the publlic mood has turned against Bush and the Republicans are running for cover.
The key issue is what will the public mood be in Nov 2006. A year is a long time with a ADD infected MSM. Since Iraq is the albatross, Bush may make some moves there by bringing back some troops and spinning that this is the beginning and that could provide some relief to the public.
I think the Democrats have to take advantage of the current situation where Bush is on his heels and the public does not trust him. They have to tar the whole bunch with the theme of Culture of Corruption and Deceit and make it stick until Nov 2006. The question is can they do it? I would give them less than 50% odds because many of them try to be too smart and focus on political calculations that get them in trouble instead of focusing on principles and convictions.
Washington Times calling for the withdrawal
of the indictment screams out that the
cabal in the Republican administration is
alarmed and in panic —-they cannot flee so
all they can do is divert, lie and attack. They
know the firewall has definitely been breached.
Woodward has not helped them at all.
What;s next?
Common Dreams has a post about
Wag the Dog syndrome.
rwcole,
I couldn’t agree more.
In December’s Atlantic magazine, James Fallows has an article titled: Why Iraq Has No Army.
Under the title it says: An orderly exit from Iraq depends on the development of a viable Iraqi security force, but the Iraquis aren’t even close. The Bush administration doesn’t take the problem seriously — and it never has.
It’s a point that should be slammed across at every opportunity. It’s time to face the facts as they exist on the ground. Murtha’s right. We should bail, and bail now.
–
Only “a tangible change in … policy or personnel” would give Bush “a chance to get out of this hole,” says Charlie Cook, editor of the non-partisan Cook Political Report. “There’s no simple answer.”
Mad— yep!
OK. So how do GOP candidates distance themselves from Bush and Iraq and still get support from their base and propagnda machine, which still support Bush and Iraq? Sounds like GOP Civil War to me.
Re: The Woodward leak doesn’t help Libby, and don’t let anyone spin you to the contrary.
It probably doesn’t help Libby, but what may be more to the point is that Libby and his lawyers think it will.
I’m still struck by how Woodward has been running around dissing Fitzgerald and the investigation, and yet all the while he has been a potential witness. It would be pretty dumb to antagonize a “junkyard dog” unless you were certain that you were beyond his reach.
And the only way I think that could happen is if Woodward and his source had an agreement not to name each other.
My idea about why the source eventually came forward was that the source was asked to name Woodward, by Libby and his attorney’s, in the hope that Woodward’s testimony would gum up the works. Woodward was probably oblivious to that, (the way he seems oblivious in a general sense) my guess is that he’s been lied to about their motives.
I do think it is a possibility that Libby’s lawyers are grasping at straws here and this particular one seemed promising.
It’s worked in one sense, many in the media assuming this makes Fitz’s case less of a slam dunk. It certainly makes life more complicated for him.
Republicans’ advice:
•Do something about Iraq. “If we could begin bringing troops home next year, that would be great,” says Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va. GOP strategist Scott Reed says, “The White House needs to focus 100% on progress in Iraq and have an end game to announce soon.”
•Keep fighting back. “He must, as Nixon did with Vietnam and Reagan did with the Cold War, confront the adversaries directly … without mincing words,” says Ken Khachigian, who worked for those presidents. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, says, “It’s time for him to come out swinging, slugging.”
•Be patient. Republican strategist Charlie Black says Bush can’t solve his woes with one speech or new initiative. He should highlight positive events in Iraq and focus on the economy, Black says. “I’m not sure there’s a big win available. You’ve got to hit a bunch of singles.”
•Refine the agenda. Bush should “use the next few weeks to come up with a good, clear agenda … and persuade the American people that he’s right,” says Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn. Davis says, “We can control the agenda if we get one.”
Cook says even modest victories could be hard to come by. “When you lose the trust of the American people, regaining it is incredibly difficult,” he says.
USA Today
Exactly rw, in our paper Sen Levin is quoted as saying about the war:
“Staying the course is not a strategy. It’s a slogan.”
Sorry, I didn’t introduce myself, but I have lately become addicted to this site and the comments.
They are so predictable. Nice Try!
Washington Times
Withdraw the Libby indictment
TODAY’S EDITORIAL
November 17, 2005
Bob Woodward’s just-released statement, suggesting that on June 27, 2003, he may have been the reporter who told Scooter Libby about Joseph Wilson’s wife, blew a gigantic hole in Patrick Fitzgerald’s recently unveiled indictment of the vice president’s former chief of staff.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed…..-5614r.htm
The current level of commitment to the Iraq war is not sustainable. It is not sustainable economically- and it is not sustainable politically.
Despite all the garbage being thrown around- that’s the truth and most know it.
The idea that the US might still be in Iraq burning 70 billion a year ten years from now is laughable.
It will never happen.
I figure that they’ve got at most a year left before this thing blows up.
OT — but important nevertheless.
ROLL CALL is reporting that Rep. John “Jack” Murtha (D-PA), is calling for an immediate withdrawl of troops from Iraq.
Murtha said, [The war] “is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion.”
Well said, Congressman.
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Didn’t Fitz say in his press conference that they thought long and hard about which reporters to subpoena and only called the ones they thought were absolutely necessary? Perhaps Woodward was one they felt wasn’t necessary until the source contacted him.
(1) The administration source who originally told Woodward about Plame approached the prosecutor recently to alert him to his 2003 conversation with Woodward. (2) The source had not yet contacted Fitzgerald when Woodward notified Downie about their conversation, Woodward said.
This is indeed tortured, because (2) would appear to precede (1) chronologically. So the reversal seems to imply that it was the source informed Woodward that the source was on his way to Fitz in time for Woodward to inform his editor before his editor heard it from anonymous sourcing. Which is apparently what the WaPo newsroom knows, and why Downie will probably become less happy about it as his Kellerification grows.
lgf
I’m afraid that some dems may have a touch of the bug too– they’d better figure out quickly how to get well.
The mood has changed- almost overnight.
Bein a Clusterfuck enabler is not cool.
There’s an interesting AP piece today about how Woodward has become a source junky – “Access journalism has become the ends, not the means.”
Woodward’s outing shows change in sourcing
DONNA CASSATA
Associated Press
WASHINGTON – Bob Woodward’s name is synonymous with anonymous sources, “Deep Throat” and reporting that uncovered a scandal that brought down a presidency.
Some three decades after Watergate, the outing of Woodward in the CIA leak investigation underscores the change in anonymous sourcing and revives the criticism of the media’s use of unnamed officials to curry favor.
Woodward’s career, say former reporters and academics, is a classic case study.
“He was the ultimate young, scrappy outsider reporter monitoring power,” said Geneva Overholser, a former ombudsman for The Washington Post. “Now he’s so much a creature of access. He even has been quite critical of this prosecution.”
Said Todd Gitlin, a professor at Columbia University’s School of Journalism: “Access journalism has become the ends, not the means.”
http://www.miami.com/mld/miami…..tstory.jsp
That’s the point isn’t it? Some where along the way, Woodward decided that selling books was more important than day to day journalism.
Wasn’t there something of a flap when Deep Throat revealed his identity? The way I remember it was that after Vanity Fair had made their announcement that Mark Felt was Deep Throat, Downey wanted Woodward to write a story that would Deep throat’s identity and provide the background info that the world has been waiting to here for 30 years.
Instead, Bob wanted to hold off until he could churn out a book on it.
kathi
The Woodward leak doesn’t help Libby, and don’t let anyone spin you to the contrary. The spinmeisters are out in force PRETENDING that a change in Fitz’ chronology somehow affects the truth of Libby’s statement. But that’s spin, pure and simple.
To quote Carville It’s the Economy Stupid
Well It’s the Conspiracy Stupid.
Woodward is their junkyard dog hoping to
distract and dissemble. rwcole is right.
the rest of this story about Woodward is bs.
the mainstream journalists trying to cover/or
expose Woodward and spin.
Fitz is truly getting closer to the heart of the
conspiracy. A doctor looks for symptoms of
the illness—-well just look at what’s been
reported of how Cheney acted last night prior
to his speech. Look at the reaction of the
Republicans to this scandal. They are all afraid
of catching this virulent virus that is out there
but they do not realize they have already been
infected and in time will lay them low too.
I think the story here is that Woodward doesn’t consider himself a news journalist anymore– he’s primarily in the business of writing books, and his first loyalty was to his own enterprise.
Is the Woodward revelation Libby’s Get-out-of-Jail-Free card?
Or even better, a “let’s not even have a trial” card?
The WH (through Cheney, in particular) has said that they will claim executive privelege when it comes to testifying in Libby’s trial. This would be a constitutional crisis of Watergate proportions, of course, but would probably put off any resoultion of the case until past the ‘08 elections. The WH just cannot have Cheney up on the stand answering questions under oath.
But there can be no such privelege with respect to Woodward. He’s not (well, not officially, anyway) an administration official. He has had extensive interviews about the Iraq war with Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the senior WH team. When he is called to testify in the Libby case, there is little question that he would be asked questions that the WH would do almost anything to prevent being answered.
We’ll see.
Thad Beier
ISince Libby is not being charged with the leaking , how does this Woodward thing give him any wiggle room at all on what he has actually been charged with? I fhe wasn’t Woodwards source, is he going to say he heard it from Woodward not Russert? I’m starting to get confused.
Saw them, Maggie. Don’t have any particular thoughts at the moment, except that creating confusion is definitely one of the advantages a source has when said source is not named.
I do have this additional thought. Reading all the speculation on the blogs about who Woodward’s source might have been highlights one of the less defensible rules in the journalistic cult of confidential sources– a gentleman’s agreement among news organizations not to investigate each other’s sources, even when the information (the name) is newsworthy, even when it wouldn’t violate your own contract with your sources.
Not… “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours,” exactly. Don’t scratch my front, I won’t scratch yours.
Journalists will talk about their contract with sources, but not about this unspoken contract with other journalists.
oh yeah, sorry Maggie……read it wrong! Too busy reading the Amazon reviews of Plan of Attack…….
It’s already HAPPENED.
The media and the politicians are the last to know.
rw, yep, even though it’s more reasonable to say they are the last to admit it. They know, and it’s easier to ‘act’ like they are all shocked and bothered.
btw thanks for the post on the abortion issue, very interesting indeed. Making most Republican policies radioactive is well on the march, hell, they are glowing in the dark at this point, already.
I assume that WHIG is behind the Plame leak– the Woody testimony has to put Fitz closer to establishing that.
The rest of the story is mostly BS.
Woodward just may be Fitzgerald’s
junk yard dog . The cabal gave Fitz a gift that may keep on giving. Perhaps in the junkyard
that Woodward was protecting is that egg
he was sitting on. Perphaps Fitz is cooking the
omlette now. Time to go eat some breakfast.
» George F. Will | The conservative coalition will disintegrate if social conservatives focus on trying to conscript government into sectarian crusades.
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what convention?
are you thinking about 2004?
Don’t know if it has been covered but June 2003 (when Booby first heard of Valerie Plame) the Republican Liars were all in New York City for the convention. Any pictures of Booby there……….I’m at work so………….
It appears that we are not faced with a potential future change in voter’s opinions.
It’s already HAPPENED.
The media and the politicians are the last to know.
Booby’s next book “I Can Deep Throat, Too!”
ROFL… Love it Pach.
Last night Olbermann kept calling this Deep Throat Jr.
Couldn’t help twisting that into wishful thinking that Bush would be Little Woody’s source, thereby making that title more than spot on. Heh
Jay,
Thanks for the second sentence.
I pitched some ideas to you down in the previous thread. Wondered if you saw them?
Jeff: I put up a comment on haloscan a few
minutes ago under the post Plan of
Attack ehcoing your post. there may be
something to the notion that
Fitz knew about Woodward all along and
played him perfectly.
private poll recently commissioned by Republican leaders shows the GOP would lose control of both the House and Senate if midterm elections were held today and supports mounting evidence that the party must distance itself from President Bush if it wants to hold on to Congressional control in 2006.
GOP strategists who have seen the poll warn House and Senate leaders that BushÂ’s numbers will continue to fall and there may be no way the party can avoid catastrophe as long as the President remains in office.
“I’ve never seen anger like this in the American populace,” says political scientist George Harleigh, who served in the Nixon administration. “There’s an old rule in politics that says no slide is irreversible. The President’s declining numbers suggest he will go down in history as the exception to that rule.”
Increasingly, GOP candidates for office – both incumbent and challengers – tell the White House and the national campaign committee they want nothing to do with Bush and will refuse to appear with him at any events.
Republican Senator Rick Santorum cancelled plans to appear with Bush in Pennsylvania on Veterans Day, a wise move as backlash continues to mount over the PresidentÂ’s use of the day to bash opponents of his failed war in Iraq. Rep. J.D. Hayworth of Arizona told the White House this week he wants no help from the President and will not use Bush in any campaign ads in his re-election effort next year.
GOP campaign consultants increasingly advise their candidates to avoid any appearance of an alliance with Bush and some are going so far as to suggest avoiding use of “Republican” or “GOP” in election ads and literature.
“Focus groups show voter approval drops significantly when the President’s name is mentioned,” says a senior Republican strategist. “Any embrace of the President’s policies is a death knell.”
Harleigh, who weathered the Watergate controversy in the Nixon White House and the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan administration, says BushÂ’s problems run deeper than NixonÂ’s.
“It’s not just that the American people distrust the President. Republicans no longer trust him. Members of his own party now cut and run from his policies,” Harleigh says.
The Senate Finance Committee last week killed a tax bill pushed by Bush when Rep. Sen. Olympia Snowe came out against a capital gains tax break that favored the wealthy. House leaders postponed a vote on the bill after too many members of their party revolted.
“You see more and more Republicans willing to challenge their party and their President,” says Harleigh. “It’s unprecedented in modern political times.”
But the crack in the Republican façade has been building.
“The fissures have been there all along,” says Jack Pitney, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College in California. “A lot more red ink, much worse poll numbersÂ…it all adds up.”
Some GOP strategists cling to the hope that political fortunes can quickly reverse and the party can rebound but such optimism is rare among the doom and gloom that dominates meeting of party leaders at the National Republican Committee and National Republican Congressional Committee.
“We’re in trouble. There’s no doubt about that,” says on GOP pollster. “Based on what I’m seeing in the national mood the only way out of that trouble is to get as far away as possible from President Bush and his policies.”
(Capital Hill Blue)
I wonder what Fitz knows about other “journalists” like Andrea Mitchell?
If Woody’s source dropped a dime on him, maybe he told Fitz about other “gossip” conversations with other big-name hacks.
As for Froomkin’s velied snark, I hope someone at the WaPo puts a real bitchslap on Richard Cohen. He was disgraceful (as usual) last night, whining to Tweety on Booby’s behalf.
Steve Gilliard is right: we need a whole generational changing of the guard in the DC press corps.
Booby’s next book “I Can Deep Throat, Too!”
Monk, would you like to take a shot at the cover graphic?
;->
Looks as if a guy in the lead graphic is knuckling a team member– now THAT fits the current gooper situation.
Interesting too that goopers are starting to worry about the burbs—they noticed that it was the difference in the recent Virginia dem victory..
Burbs are the battleground right now. Goopers own the rural areas- dems own the cities- the burbs are where 06 will be decided.
Reversal of the landmark Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion nationwide could produce an upheaval in U.S. politics and would put candidates who oppose abortion rights at risk of defeat in many parts of the country, a leading House Republican said yesterday.
Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), chairman of the Government Reform Committee, said the desire of GOP conservatives to see a newly constituted Supreme Court eventually overturn Roe v. Wade could produce a political backlash, particularly in the suburbs. “It would be a sea change in suburban voting patterns,” Davis said at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.
WP
Some goopers are starting to worry about the consequences of being the party that destroyed Roe-Wade… Pretty interesting.
OMG that picture is hot.
I have not even read the post yet.
ty, redd!
Thanks, Jay — it’s even better with the second sentence. Gee, wonder why Kurtz didn’t include it? ;-)
Here’s the rest of my quote to Kurtz. The second sentence didn’t make it in.
“Bob Woodward has gone wholly into access journalism. Those at the Post who think adversarial journalism is sometimes necessary should recognize that he is not a friend of that form.”
As scriptwriter William Goldman wrote for the “Woodward” character in All The President’s Men, “Follow the money.” All Mr. Run Amok cares for are his book deals. The WaPo is like a PO drop box for him.
What about the possibility that Fitz knew all along about Booby & the source, and has just been letting everyone sweat and giving them all time to turn on each other? That’s what Fitz did in the Illinois George Ryan case–ex-Gov. Ryan got the 66th indictment, after everyone else started to turn on him when they realized Fitz had the goods on them as well.
Oh, fantastic work, by the way. Thanks.
The Woody problem- like the Miller problem- has a great deal of special interest to journalists..
Much of the discussion is a distraction from actually finding out what the hell the White House did.
Woody can go fuck himself as far as I am concerned.