While Little Mr. Run-Amok has his return moment in the spotlight after several decades in an undistinguished chorus, his counterpart in WoodMill (so dubbed by Digby) — Judy Miller — takes the stage again, this time at the Open Source Media shindig in New York this afternoon.
Jay Rosen of PressThink was there and he got a chance to ask the question we all want to know the answer to: why the hell is Judy Miller running around the country demanding a federal shield law that she herself would not have been covered by?
Jay emailed the delightful details:
They were webcasting it, so they gave me a mike that didn’t work, a second mike that didn’t work, and during my question three other mikes that didn’t work.
Even so, I got to tell her about watching the PBS Newshour (July 6, 2005) when Steve Chapman of the Chicago Tribune said that a federal shield law would cover more than 90 percent of the cases where confidential sources are used, but it would not have applied to her case. Then Bill Keller, who was on the program as Judy’s defender and supporter, said Chapman was correct. Judy Miller’s decision to go to jail was an act of civil disobedience, he said, because she had "run out of legal protection."
My question for Judy: Why is it that as you travel the country speaking out for a federal shield law–before journalism groups, legal societies, on TV, and the Congress–you invariably fail to mention what your champion (then) Bill Keller understood: the shield law would not have protected you because of the weird facts in this case? It certainly matters to how effective you can be in making a case to the nation for the shield law, I said. Yet you leave it out. And your remarks today were a perfect example.
Miller said it was a good question. She said Keller was wrong. The law would have protected her. Her lawyer told her so. The only exception in the bill is for matters of national security. "It’s not the only thing I disagree with Bill Keller about," she said with a chuckle and toss of the head. But even if the law didn’t apply to her and Fitzgerald, Miller added, it was a good law and important to talk about.
True, and that’s exactly why the law needs a different advocate, someone who is not Judith Miller.
The law, as Jay notes, is the Senate’s Free Flow of Information Act of 2005, which says you cannot be compelled to give up a source unless "disclosure of the identity of such a source is necessary to prevent imminent and actual harm to national security." Says Jay:
I’ve asked a lot of people with knowledge of Washington, and of this bill. I haven’t found one who thinks there can be a vote on a federal shield law without an exception in it for revealing the identity of a covert agent. A case in which that happened is not going to be a covered case; and anyone with political sense knows it.
Indeed, Professor Geoffrey Stone, former board member of the ACLU, writes:
In the Plame case, we have a relatively unusual circumstance where the source is essentially using the press in an effort to commit a federal crime…no version of a reporter-source privilege in my view or my judgment would cover the particulars of this situation.
As one of the commenters over at Sadly, No! said, "you know you don’t have a leg to stand on when the ACLU tells you to shut up and take your medicine! They defended Rush Limbaugh. Jesus tapdancing christ, LIMBAUGH!Evidently Judy still isn’t taking her medicine. But boy don’t we keep trying to give it to her.(late nite graphic artistry by Billmon)
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that picture was hard to look at with my first cuppa joe.
with my second it was funny as hell.
Did Woody go visit Judy in Jail? I thought that he did- they would have had a lot to talk about eh?
esp.if it is Cheney ? I agree with one of the commenters above if anything it proves that there was indeed a conspiracy…
froggermarch, I tend to think Fitz knew about Woody all along too, and he certainly was so proud to crow he’s the first! the first damnit! to get leaked to.
Monk, somewhere, somewhere on here today amongst the speculation, I believe in the comments, either Redd or Jane (? perhaps) said something that jogged my memory about Ralston, to the point I said her name out loud which caused my old man to say who the hell are you talking to? Then a new thread went up, I forgot to ask about her.
Look, only 10-20% of this country is crazy enough to support Bush no matter what. I think his bottom rating will be below 20.
Monk,
I got the idea because I was visiting another blog (don’t remember which one) and they did the same thing to show that William Safire had been claiming in his columns that there was a confirmed link between Al Queda and Saddam. The blog probably belongs to someone who comments here so they get all the credit for the idea.
Sorry, wasn’t thinking clearly. It is 25% to 30% of his base which views him negatively.
Thanks for that Terry! I actually just found it as well.
Sheesh, I don’t know why that was so hard. Need to take a break I guess.
34% Holy shit! Lowest in his ignominious history..
It’s one thing to be not too smart
It’s another to be a pathological liar
It’s yet another to screw up everything you touch//
Yep- the trifecta.
Bush at 34%
There seems to be no bottom to the hole he is in. That’s a good 10% of his base turning away from him.
http://online.wsj.com/public/a…..in_tff_top
Pachacutec (or anyone else)
Might it be possible that Hadley did in fact turn for Fitz some time ago and the Woodward “bombshell” is a relatively small explosion next to the conspiracy case to come?
I guess I’m thinking it’s possible that Fitz knew all along about Woodward and his source but he was playing possum with that information–as he is probably doing with a lot of shit from his investigation–since it didn’t really affect the case against Libby. It just seems a little too pat that Woodward, who had unparalleled access to the key players during the period in question, had not been previously spoken to by Fitz. Maybe I’m giving Fitz too much credit (forgive me, Me), but he couldn’t have picked a better tactic to get Firewall Scooter to crumble than to dangle a specious comment like the one that Libby was at the outset of the case and have Libby run to Woodward to “set the record straight.” In this scenario, Hadley is safe anyway, because he has already made his deal and one last potential journalistic stumbling block in Woodward is removed. It would also explain the odd arrangement whereby Hadley lets Woodward testify but not go public, so that the real targets of the probe continue to sweat and make mistakes while Hadley is still on the job.
As I’ve said before, I think Hadley is a real key to this whole investigation–either as the key witness for the prosecution or as the target that goes down for the big counts. Or maybe I just need some sleep. (But I need to rid that graphic before I do).
Your thoughts, Hobsons.
Monk,
I did a search on the NYT site for “Susan Ralston grand Jury” and got an archived article. On the side of the archived info was a link to “free preview.” This is it:
FREE PREVIEW
2 Aides to Rove Testify in C.I.A. Leak Inquiry
*Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information.
August 3, 2005, Wednesday
By DAVID JOHNSTON (NYT); National Desk
Late Edition – Final, Section A, Page 17, Column 1, 721 words
CORRECTION APPENDED
DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 721 WORDS -Two aides to Karl Rove, the senior White House adviser, testified last Friday before a federal grand jury investigating whether government officials illegally disclosed the identity of an undercover C.I.A. operative, according to a person who has been officially briefed on the case. The aides, Susan B. Ralston and…
Correction: August 5, 2005, Friday An article on Wednesday about the C.I.A. leak case referred incorrectly to a passage in a column by Robert D. Novak on July 14, 2003, that discussed a trip to Niger by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV to investigate whether Iraq was pursuing nuclear fuel in Africa. Mr. Novak wrote that Mr. Wilson’s wife, who worked for the Central Intelligence Agency, had suggested the trip. He did not write that she had sent her husband to Africa.
To read the rest of this archive article, upgrade to TimesSelect or purchase as a single article.
So it seems she went to the GJ on the 29th of July.
You know… I thought about posting my letters today… I will do it now ;)
*Applauds PelMel*
Thanks! Well done. I added it to my file I started named ‘Me’s Letters’. (winks @ Me, and are you collecting them on your site? I haven’t had a chance to check anything but your media list addies)
I’ve collected a couple others that have been posted and put them in there. I’m about ready to picket our State Journal, very little is getting through on anything, articles are all slanted AP it seems, letters selected too. It has a decidedly new rightwing tilt since it was bought out a couple months ago, and we’re a blue state.
Re: ATinNM
Not only were they working on false information…
But,
they are all being quoted out of context by the POTUS. It is a blatant attempt at disinformation. In fact they all had rational views on the their votes that can more than stand up to the light of day.
The fact that W. has to twist their words is sooooo f’d up its scary! PURE desperation.
There are honest to god commie traitors who have done far less damage to this country than W.
How do we regain the moral high ground in the world? 50 years of trying or simply introduce W. to the intimate details of the TEXAS prison industry?
I think it is an easy choice.
“Please…don’t kill me”
A mocking GWB to Karla Faye Tucker
Jane/Redd/Anyone –
Does anyone know when Susan Ralston went before the grand jury? (fitz’s not the abramobb jury)
I remember reading that Jane shot down the story that Ralston was going up again, but when did she originally testify?
Thanks!
-Monk
“It is beyond the pale that members of this administration deal with everything through the prism of politics
as opposed to the real-world implications of their actions. They were elected to run the country for the
public good, not to run a continuous eight-year Republican campaign for office.”
PelMel–
Thanks for your crisp, clear and noble words. They deserve to be widely read and carefully considered. Congratulations!
Me -
Yes it was my first time in print! I’m still a little giddy.
Terry – the worst that can happen if you send a letter and it doesn’t get published is… that it doesn’t get published
- you have no chance of getting it published if you don’t send it.
But I sure do know what you mean, I write letters to my senators and congressmen and the news anchors and
I sometimes think they just disappear in the ether.
Wayne Gretzky said: 100% of the shots you don’t take – don’t go in.
And so that’s why I write the letters anyway.
Ahh Thanks Pach, for reminding me what you wrote, I’ve been gone for two nights in a row and furiously trying to catch up today…heheh. As it is I have 4 articles minimized for later perusal. And yes I agree.. great summary you have put up, as always!
labrador: to some, perhaps. But I know some fierce, furious fabulous and funny drag queen performance artists who would take strong exception to that.
They find – and create – power in it. Quite the opposite of being demeaned.
Why is it humorous / degrading to make a man look like a woman? Just who was insulted here, Woodward, Judy or women — becasue there is nothing more demeaning that to make a man look like a woman.
froggermarch: I agree that there is that little valentine to Libby (and Cheney?) from Woodward in his decription of his testimony.
And I gree it gives the defense a grain of sand to work with.
It’s not enough for a full defense, but they have time.
I think you’ve decsribed the situation right. Thanks for adding that piece.
Wow, I can’t stop smiling!
Thank you all for such awesome support! I’ve been coming here for months, but too nervous to post. This is such a smart room!
Me – thanks for the links – as my sister said “this will only encourage you.” – she meant it in a good way though ;-)
ShezinMI
I didn’t initially publish the content because I wasn’t sure I should, but since you asked, I will!
To the Editor:
You have provided an accurate analysis that cuts through the ubiquitous administration talking points.
It is beyond the pale that members of this administration deal with everything through the prism of politics
as opposed to the real-world implications of their actions. They were elected to run the country for the
public good, not to run a continuous eight-year Republican campaign for office.
I have been horrified by the abdication of Congressional oversight by the majority leaders. It’s their job.
They are not only not doing it, they are also putting up roadblocks to anyone
who is trying to get to the truth.
It felt very good to get my sense of “aarGHH!” out there into the world.
I do feel like I hit the lottery, that was my first letter to the Times.
Re: ATinNM
Not only were they working on false information…
But,
they are all being quoted out of context by the POTUS. It is a blatant attempt at disinformation. In fact they all had rational views on the their votes that can more than stand up to the light of day.
The fact that W. has to twist their words is sooooo f’d up its scary! PURE desperation.
There are honest to god commie traitors who have done far less damage to this country than W.
How do we regain the moral high ground in the world? 50 years of trying or simply introduce W. to the intimate details of the TEXAS prison industry?
I think it is an easy choice.
“Please…don’t kill me”
A mocking GWB to Karla Faye Tucker
Great work, WTF! The mendacity of this administration is so blatant it is stupifying. If Scottie ever shows his funny face again, I hope he gets hit in the kisser with this context. (Too much to expect we’ll ever see Bushie Boy without parental supervision again>
and Pach,
Good summary of the days events, but the one thread that Libby’s suits are hanging by is that evidently Wayward told Fitz that he wasn’t completely absolutely certain whether he might have mentioned what he had heard about Wilson’s wife from another source. At the core, of course, that really doesn’t mean much to the essential charges of obstruction and lying, but it could be a small doubt planter for potential jurors.
In other words, Libby is saying that see, I did maybe hear about Val from the media, so maybe everything else I said was truthful too. It doesn’t pass much scrutiny, for sure, since four members of his own team have him nailed on hearing it from other sources. The real glimmer for Libby, ISTM, is that it may give his suits some leeway with a judge to call all kinds of journalists in in the hopes that they will drink from Judy and Wayward’s glass and help him with a stonewall.
Oh and that graphic is sick. And I mean that in the old way. And the new way.
You know guys… The spin on Wayward is just spin… It does nothing but improve Fitz’s case, and flushes out the size of the conspiracy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11…..nted=print
Remember Tom Delay? They sent Roy Blunt, the Missouri gooper governors son to take the Majority Whip seat… And he got subponeas today… :))
Shez.inMI: last night, just as the news broke, I wrote at this link http://www.haloscan.com/commen…..52/#164598
Quick note on the Woodward revelation.
First, he is essentially calling Pincus a liar. Since Pincus has been more forthcoming all along, I tend to believe Pincus over Woodward in their differeing “recollections.”
Second, the article says that the information came out because Woodward’s source came forward to Fitzy, but the reason the source came forward is not clear.
That’s a deal that got made, it seems to me. Someone under pressure came to Fitzy to avoid indictment. Someone cooperated. Hadley? I don’t know. Rove’s lawyer says it was not Rove, so take that for what it’s worth.
Seems like the scare Fitzy put into the network has brought some results.
Third, this does not negate Libby’s jeopardy. It just tends to unravel another part of the network, another part of the conspiracy.
Fourth, it shows what confidence they had in Woodward that he was their guy.
I saw the later speculation on Rawstory that it was Hadley, which is probably Olbermann’s source as well. Hadley would fit, and there were rumors that he had expected to be indicted on Fitzmas, so he may have pissed his pants and then taken his first opportunity to sing once he saw the indictment.
The only hitch is there have been rumors of his having already cooperated a while ago, which, if true, would work against the possibility of his bringing out new revelations. Once someone flips, they’d better tell all and leave nothing out, or their deal will collapse. Making a late revelation after a deal is in place is a bad, bad idea.
So, if Hadley had not already flipped prior to the Libby indictment, then it adds up. But if the other rumors were true, then I doubt it was Hadley this time around.
Great work, WTF! The mendacity of this administration is so blatant it is stupifying. If Scottie ever shows his funny face again, I hope he gets hit in the kisser with this context. (Too much to expect we’ll ever see Bushie Boy without parental supervision again>
and Pach,
Good summary of the days events, but the one thread that Libby’s suits are hanging by is that evidently Wayward told Fitz that he wasn’t completely absolutely certain whether he might have mentioned what he had heard about Wilson’s wife from another source. At the core, of course, that really doesn’t mean much to the essential charges of obstruction and lying, but it could be a small doubt planter for potential jurors.
In other words, Libby is saying that see, I did maybe hear about Val from the media, so maybe everything else I said was truthful too. It doesn’t pass much scrutiny, for sure, since four members of his own team have him nailed on hearing it from other sources. The real glimmer for Libby, ISTM, is that it may give his suits some leeway with a judge to call all kinds of journalists in in the hopes that they will drink from Judy and Wayward’s glass and help him with a stonewall.
Oh and that graphic is sick. And I mean that in the old way. And the new way.
Josh Marshall has made the point at TPM that he can understand that Woodward had no “obligation” to come forward and reveal his conversation with the WH source about Mrs. Wilson. EXCEPT: Long ago, Woodward had to understand, from the news in his own newspaper, that he was an EYEWITNESS to a CIA-agent outing crime by that source (who violated the Standard Form pledge those given security clearances must sign, at a minimum): but Woodward’s okay with, and we’re supposed to be “okay” with, Woodward’s willing COVER-UP of that crime he WITNESSED?? I sure am not “okay” with that — especially from a flipping Deputy Managing Editor of the Washington Post, no less. PLEASE!! [Were ALL the reporters who testified unearthed without any assistance from the reporters themselves? If so, HOW MANY OTHER ’silent sams’ are still lurking out there…? Did Libby “remember” his 6/23 phone call with Woodward BTW, in his statements?? A call which happened the SAME day Libby spoke with Miller - surprise, surprise..]
And Woodward and his source seem to have now decided that as long as they pretend they ‘didn’t know’ or ’say’ that Mrs. Wilson was COVERT, everything is just hunky-dory on both ends. B.S.
This just reeks. What a cesspool D.C. is.
I’ll sound hopelessly naive saying this, but what is with the New York Times?
New Disclosure Could Prolong Inquiry on Leak http://nytimes.com/2005/11/17/…..r=homepage
“The disclosure that a current or former Bush administration official told Bob Woodward of The Washington Post more than two years ago that the wife of a prominent administration critic worked for the C.I.A. …left the special prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, grappling with an unexpected new twist – one that he had not uncovered in an exhaustive inquiry – and gave lawyers for I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff and the only official charged with a crime, fresh evidence to support his defense.”
Okay… If this is the case, why, at the *end* of the article, do we read this?:
“I don’t think that in a technical legal sense it matters,” said Rodney A. Smolla, dean of the law school at the University of Richmond …. “It’s neutral as to Libby because he has been indicted for perjury and for lying, and nothing in his account seems to sanitize those lies if in fact they turn out to be lies.”
Oh… here in mid article is the “beef”:
“Lawyers involved in the case…”
Just a wild guess, but *defense* lawyers, maybe?
“said that while the issues raised by Mr. Woodward’s new account did not go to the heart of the perjury and obstruction charges against Mr. Libby, they could cast doubt on an underlying prosecution theme: that Mr. Libby was untruthful when he told the grand jury Ms. Wilson’s C.I.A. identity was common knowledge among reporters.”
Is the NYT suffering from ARAS (Aquired Run Amok Syndrome?) Is there a sign at the front door saying, “Please leave your critical facilities with the guard?” How does Woodward saying, “Three WH officials outed Valerie Plame to me” equal “Oh, everyone in the press already knew about it?”
How about it says:”The WH was virtually spamming the MSM with Valerie Plame’s CIA status.”
http://www.senate.gov/general/…..rs_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/
Patriot act… Contact your reps…
Tell them Dictators wrote it, Americans are not terrorists… And tell them to kill it… Not watered down… Killed dead
Did I hear Trollope? One of the great disappointments of my life was when I realized that they had stopped writing 19th century novels, oh, about a hundred years ago.
PelMel.
Congratulations! I see you’re the type of person who goes straight to the top. It’s funny because not 15 minutes before I saw your post, I was thinking about how much easier it is to have one’s letter published in a small-city paper as opposed to, say, the New York Times, which receives multitudes of letters. It’s like hitting the lottery, I told myself. ( c : You hit the big one!!
Is this whole thing a rewrite of a Trollope novel? M
I LOVE Trollope!!
So, who would be your Obediah Slope in all this? Cheney or Rove?
p.s. Whiny moment: I’ve been blogging my arse off today and not a single person has left a comment. If you kids are not too busy and in the mood for a laugh, come by. Please. I only do this for the attention.
PelMel, would you post your letter here please for us who can’t access the NYT? I would love to read it, and congrats!
Me, you said: “… Cause Rummy got thrown to the lions”… ahem, and here we read that the Christians literally threw the Iraqi’s to the lions, in the lion cages. Oh my. O the irony.
Pach, Raw Story had up today that their sources say Hadley is Woodwards source, then on Olbermann tonight I think it was Solomon Weisenberg (?/sp?) also mentioned a “source” that it may be Hadley. Lots happening today, eh?
ty zennurse! Yoo da best!
Woody’s problem is he got used too.
Philadelphia journalist breaks up with Bob Woodward: Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Bob and me.
“A reporter would have worked the story, somehow. But the stenographer kept his mouth shut, changing the subject when he had to. And I don’t hate him or even resent him for it; it’s just Woodward being Woodward.
“What is sad is that in a warped way, Woodward remained a role model for the journalists he had so inspired 30 years ago…”
Thanks for the forum Jane. His Valley Girl.
Oh, and Scarborough is an idiot.
He has not followed this story in any detail at all, because it does not play well for his team.
He did come out with a strongish statement, but he’s so shallow no strong statement from him carries weight.
He was mostly flattering Tweety while he pimped his own show, it seemed to me.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8004316/
Pach- I can’t remember where I linked from, but I think it’s on this page, way down “Woodward scoops again, under Video: MSNBC. I get a thing wanting me to download IE, but try it.
d: I tend to think whatever PR leverage Libby’s team can get out of today’s news will have a very short half life indeed, particularly if more indictments will be forthcoming down the road.
Thank you very very much PelMel
*HUGS*
http://fusioner.proboards60.co…..1131129004
Don’t stop with just one ;)
Congrats on getting published :))
First time in print?
Pel — excellent letter. Congrats on the publication. :)
Scarborough on Hardball tonight seemed convinced it was Cheney.
Pach — It is true that this does not help Libby in a court of law, but it does help him in the court of public opinion. People who don’t pay as much attention to this as we do will have a different take.
A liberal friend called me today and said ,
“It’s over, Libby will get off.”
This new information effects the jury pool.
PelMel | Homepage | 11.16.05 – 8:27 pm | #
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Great letter, Mary Ellen. Concise and to the point. Exactly what editors are looking for.
Ref: WTF’s post
This is the attack the Republicans are using to attempt to counter the Democrats and claw back some of Bush’s lost approval.
According to a post on http://www.boomantribune.com/s…../23712/328
the GOP has sent out a video tape of the speeches.
What they leave out, of course, is the Democrats were working from false information provided by the Bush administration.
Thanks, Redd.
I hate it when I miss class and I have to make up the notes.
Latest FaBlog — Lucian Lets ‘em Have It
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11…..r=homepage
With an obvious resonance to current events, the National Archives and Records Administration released 50,000 pages of previously classified documents from the Nixon administration today that reveal how all that president’s men wrestled with issues that eerily parallel problems facing the Bush administration.
Bush = Nixon
Let’s see… We had the Fitz submarine surface and let loose another torp into the sinking battleship BushCo… Indictments on Iraq war profiteering… White Phosphorus war crime story on the news, secret prison torture story, 83000 “detainees” – 6 dead Marines so far today (they don’t count wounded… oh Oilgate started this morning.
What’s a rover to do… ?
Send Cheney out to call Americans names… That’ll fix it right up… Cause Rummy got thrown to the lions, Cheney is the only one who is saying anything in public.
Where’s Scotty???
Bush is overseas so he does not have to face us, leaving Cheney, the hands on perp, and two-faced Karl who the MSM won’t touch right now… His phone is ringing, with angry people wanting to know what the eff is going on…
From the looks of it, battleship BushCo is going to capsize soon.
I can’t find the link zennurse is referring to. If anyone can post it for me, I’d be much obliged!
Thanks in advance.
Hey, am I the first to post (for once!) on the snarky NYT followup article about the Woodward revelation?
They list a bunch of officials whose spokesmen denied their being Booby’s source: Bush (sorry, everybody), Card, Bartlett, Powell, Tenet, McLaughlin (Tenet’s deputy), Rove.
Then comes this line:
Vice President Cheney did not join the parade of denials. A spokeswoman said he would have no comment on an ongoing investigation.
As I said in my post, it’s got to suck when your supposed colleagues leave you hanging out to dry like that.
Great letter, PelMel, good for you!
That picture is horrible.
Bush says:
Let me give you some quotes from three senior Democrat leaders: First, and I quote, “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons.” Another senior Democrat leader said, “The war against terrorism will not be finished as long as Saddam Hussein is in power.” Here’s another quote from a senior Democrat leader: “Saddam Hussein, in effect, has thumbed his nose at the world community. And I think the President is approaching this in the right fashion.” They spoke the truth then, and they’re speaking politics now. (Applause.)
In full context:
1st quote: Sen Jay Rockefeller
In the same speech: “Preventing a war with Saddam Hussein — whether now or later — must be our top priority, and I believe this resolution will strengthen the presidentÂ’s hand to resolve this crisis peacefully. By my vote, I say to the United Nations and our allies that America is united in our resolve to deal with Saddam Hussein, and that the U.N. must act to eliminate his weapons of mass destruction. By my vote, I say to Saddam Hussein, ‘Disarm, or the United States will be forced to act.’”
2nd Quote: Sen Carl Levin
“I agree, but exactly the way Senator Kyl put it. The war against terrorism will not be finished as long as he is in power. But that does not mean he is the next target. And the commitment to do that, it seems to me, could be disruptive of our alliance that still has work to do in Afghanistan. And a lot will depend on what the facts are in various places as to what terrorist groups are doing, and as to whether or not we have facts as to whether or not the Iraqis have been involved in the terrorist attack of September 11, or whether or not Saddam is getting a weapon of mass destruction and is close to it. So facts will determine what our next targets are.”
3rd Quote: Sen Harry Reid
“As you know when his father went into Iraq, we had a very good debate. Some said one of the best debates in the last 40 years in Congress. We’re going to have a debate. But I think we have to acknowledge what’s gone on in Iraq. Saddam Hussein, in effect, has thumbed his nose at the world community. And I think that the president’s approaching this in the right fashion. He’s now trying to get the international community to join. Secretary Powell is basically living in New York, working with international community. And we have made progress…Right now, we’re kind of speaking in a vacuum. The Democratic leadership and the Republican leadership, House, and Senate met with the president today. They talked in some generalities, but even today, I don’t think the administration knows what they want to do. To get to — to be very direct and specific, if we wanted to invade Iraq, it’s going to take months to get that ready, not days, or weeks. So this isn’t anything that’s going to happen tomorrow. I think we should get this resolution out of the way. Maybe it would help the administration focus on the domestic policy if we did that. Oh, I don’t think you’re going to see blank check. And I don’t think the president will ask for a blank check.”
Bush again:
“Yet some Democrats who voted to authorize the use of force are now rewriting the past. They are playing politics with this issue and they are sending mixed signals to our troops and the enemy. And that’s irresponsible.”
Truth or Poliitcs, Re-writing history, Irresponsible! How fvcking dishonest can W. be? Seriously, the guy is a war criminal. It will take a generation for the US to regain its moral authority in the world…or Bush can go to jail. You decide!
Monk, ROFL loved your latest work, as always. The “beginning” of the end busted me up. You rock.
pb, yes I agree with you, it was getting maddening today, I mentioned Olbermann’s point he made in the last thread, and now our talented Monk has tackled that exact subject on his latest link he put up above.
Nope, Pach, that’s a nice summary.
msnbc has the video of Carol the federal court reporter being interviewed about this which Redd refers to 2 posts down. It’s worth a look, just to see how snarky and pissed she is. (sorry, lost the link)
I would like to second Me’s motion to write letters.
They do get read.
The cumulative effect will have an impact.
We will get our country back!
I wrote a letter to the editor in response to the NY Times
Editorial “Decoding Bush’s Denials” which I thought was right on target.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11…..Editorials
And they published it today!
If you want to read it , it’s the second one down (ME Gerak Seattle) it’s here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11…..%2fLetters
This is my first post ever I hope I followed all the right protocol.
This blog is amazing too – as you all know,
Pach — that pretty much sums it up. :)
Nice point d.
If only he’d been more forthcoming and honest.
-Monk
He was feeling a little guilty back then.
July, 05
Bob Woodward Offers to Serve Judith Miller’s Jail Time
Joe Strupp
NEW YORK –
Bob Woodward has offered to serve some of jailed reporter Judith Miller’s time behind bars, and urged others to share her incarceration as well. Miller, the New York Times reporter held in contempt for refusing to disclose her confidential source in the Valerie Plame case, was ordered to jail last Wednesday and could remain there for four months Woodward, who appeared on Larry King Live Monday night, said journalists should be willing to help Miller out since she is essentially fighting for all …continued
Pach –
I’d say you have a very firm grasp on what’s transpired over the last 24 hours.
Tom Maquire over at Just One Minute took the Olbermann’s “Known” point and countered it with something Fitz said later in his Press conference. But I don’t think it passes muster.
I just blogged about it over at the dartboard.
-Monk
Oh… One other thing… Please contact your representives in Congress and tell them to kill the unpatriot act… Dictators wrote it, and Americans are not terrorists.
http://www.senate.gov/general/…..rs_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/
Thanks again :)
I spent the day working, and so have been trying to catch up.
Here’s what I think I can gather, but please let me know where I am in error:
1) When Vanhedei and Leonnig say the Woodward disclosure helps Libby, they seem to be parroting Libby lawyer spin and missing the real point. Fitzy said in his press conference that Libby was the first known person to disclose Plame identity as a CIA operative, as the tape played repeatedly by Olbermann tonight shows. Any anyway, the case against Libby is not dependent on his being the first leaker: it just depends on whether it can be proven he lied to the GJ.
2) Tweety and others have speculated that Woodward’s source was Cheney, based it seems on various tea leaf readings, including knowledge of Woodward’s close access to Cheney while writing his execrable book. But the Cheney theory makes no sense to me. Based on the timing, and the fact that admitting, as a Senior Administration Official, that you were an early leaker places you in potential jeopardy. It seems more likely this information came from somoene flipping, to avoid future indictment or to minimize future risk. I don’t see Cheney doing that. His nature is not to cooperate, period. He is a “dead ender.”
3) This brings us to the other theory about the leaker trying to help Libby, by setting up some edifice that suggests Plame’s identity was common knowledge among reporters. This is Woodward’s apparent line as well, but his testimony does not establish that the her identity was common knowledge. In fact, it seems to suggest the opposite, since he got his information from a Senior Administration Official in the know. And the story refutes the notion that Woodward told Libby about Plame’s identity. No help for Libby there.
4) Woodward says he did not know from his source that Plame was NOC, just that she was CIA. But that does not seem to clear the leaker from jeopardy, if the leaker knew of her NOC status and leaked with a purpose. If Woodward testifies that he beloeves that his source did not know about her NOC status, this does not exculpate his source if it can be proven that in fact his source did know.
5) Woodward has put his word against Pincus, and the jury in this one sides with Pincus. It’s just not believable that Woodward could talk to Pincus about Plame’s status at the time Pincus was researching the story, and that Pincus did not remember that. Woodward also burned Pincus by asking him to leave Woodward out of the unfolding story, and it does not reflect terribly we on {incus, in retrospect, that he acceded to Woodward’s request. But it may be that Woodward has been so untouchable in his role and title at the paper that Pincus did not have much choice. In any event, Woodward obviously punked the whole paper, including Downie. his reputation is covered with flies since it is now in fact a stinking, piping pile of shit.
6) The story suggests that at least one senior person has become more cooperative with Fitzy, which is very bad news for everyone else in the White House Iraq Group, and anyone potentially indictable in a conspiracy. Given the wide range of activities that can be interpreted as forwarding a conspiracy, that’s a lot of people. If this testimony by Woodward’s source provides greater insight into the decisions that led to the apparent campaign to out Plame’s status, and who was involved, it suggests that the firewall Libby is attempting to maintain may in fact be crumbling around him. This in turn makes it marginally more likely that Libby will ultimately cooperate, if he can’t save Cheney anyway.
7) Since the source of this information will ultimately be identified through discovery to Libby’s attorneys, then we will probably know who this is before too much time passes. The leaks in this case come from the defense side of the ledger, and this will probably come out. Who talked, and what deal they may have made, will be known before too long.
That’s a long summary, but am I missing anything of note, or misinterpreting the facts we have so far?
If someone has already mentioned this, I apologize for reapeating info. Keith Olbermann is the ONLY person I have heard all day clarify what Fitz actually said regarding Scooter, that being that he (Libby) was the first KNOWN person to disclose the identity of Valerie Plame Wilson. All I have heard is that Fitz got it all wrong, blah, blah, blah. The MSM is not that stupid regarding the facts and we need to let them know that we resent their remaing silent about this and so many other facts.
Is this whole thing a rewrite of a Trollope novel? M
Oh god. That Judy Woodward graphic is going to give me nightmares. lol!
:shudder:
I just posted up a new article at the dartboard that pretty much slaps down Ted Wells’ ridiculous oversight in his defensive press release today.
Not to mention, I’ve finally been able to work in a graphic for the Big Lebowski fans like me. ;)
http://darted.blogspot.com
-Monk
Bad day for the WaPo
Pincus must reveal sources re: Wen Ho Lee
http://atrios.blogspot.com/
Saw someone mention that they had never seen a President travel so often as Chimpy. Maybe one of the reasons he has to be away so much is that there are so many dirty tricks going on at the WH. Might be it’s his plausible deniability defense…
I found FDL via Jay Rosen’s site PressThink. He’s great. So, let me repeat his comment on FDL, from a while back:
http://www.haloscan.com/commen…..29/#161062
Midwest Meg: I have had communiques from Times staffers who share your theory than Judy Miller may be mentally unstable (not joking.) One said to me that Miller probably didn’t have a security clearance, but “thinks she did.” Another said that Judy lives in a parallel universe. Borderline personality may be close to being right. I’m not sure she is able to tell the truth when it involves her self and self-image.
Sulzberger’s performance was worse. Even Charlie Rose berated him for not getting it. When he said that Jayson Blair’s fabrications were worse than the Miller mess, he showed that he has problems recognizing reality, as well.
Jay Rosen | Homepage | 11.11.05 – 8:41 am | #-
somewhere along the line ..there’s a smoking gun. You just gotta wait for the smoke to clear. Once a clear thread throughout a conspiracy reveals itself there tends to be a tipping point that precipitates everyones self survival. Fitz is playing that agonizing game until the water reaches “the boiling point”.
As the Tao demonstrates everyone just reveals themselves in due time.
What is so extraordinary about the Plame case is that the Reporter is the Instrument of the crime, as if the reporter herself is the murder weapon. There is no way a reporter could expect any kind of protection in that type of situation.
Umm….just heard on WABC Rightwing talk radio here in NYC, here’s the latest buzz : Patrick fitzgerald is about to acquire a new name : Inspector Clouseau…..
They are NOT done with Mata Hori Judy yet….They need to take back that award!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200….._reporters
WASHINGTON – A federal judge found Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus in contempt Wednesday, saying the journalist must reveal his government sources for stories about the criminal investigation of nuclear scientist Wen Ho Lee.
But some legal experts were skeptical that Mr. Woodward’s disclosure would significantly alter the case against Mr. Libby.
“I don’t think that in a technical legal sense it matters,” said Rodney A. Smolla, dean of the law school at the University of Richmond and a specialist in media law. “It’s neutral as to Libby because he has been indicted for perjury and for lying, and nothing in his account seems to sanitize those lies if in fact they turn out to be lies.”
NYT
http://www.editorandpublisher……1001523510
—-NEW YORK After a vote by its governing board on Tuesday, The Deadline Club chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) in the New York City area sent an open letter today to SPJ’s executive committee saying it is “dismayed at the Society’s decision to grant a First Amendment Award to Judith Miller of The New York Times at its national convention on Oct. 18.” It noted that many “serious questions remain unanswered about Ms. Miller’s actions surrounding the Central Intelligence Agency leak case, and as such, the Society acted in haste in honoring her.”—
http://fusioner.proboards60.co…..1131129004
I cannot urge you enough… If you have not already done so… Get letters out. I know I am a pest, but damnit, there’s a war on.
Hit any scandal du jour, but right now the one that is not being investigated at some level is the Oilgate, the keywords are: Republican, corruption, racketeering, kickbacks, price fixing, price gouging… VP Cheney… Get the message???
Thanks bunches, and I am sorry I have to be a pest, but that’s my war job… I sent 4 letters out today, 50 different places each letter.
xoxoxox
May I suggest that Woodward’s source be called “SloppyThroat”, to emphasize his or her carelessness with classified information?
BTW, Bush was out of the country on November 3, the day SloppyThroat met with Fitzgerald and mentioned Woodward.
Which top administration officials were with Bush overseas? Where was Condi? (Middle East?)
If you can find out who didn’t go with Bush to South America, you can get some names of potential sources (assuming the source is still in the White House complex).
They are doing a report on White Phosphorus use in Iraq on Anderson Cooper’s CNN show — including a great report from Dr. Sanjay Gupta on medical consequences of use. It’s hit the MSM on tv.
Raw Story: Congressman John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat and the ranking member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, plans to make a motion on Thursday that would force the committee to consider John McCain’s anti-torture amendment, Raw Story has learned. more…..
What about that Fitz!!
Halloween all over again!
putz