
I sat through a whole lot of hooey this morning on the Sunday talk shows. And then sat through a bunch of further hooey reviewing some of the quotes from pundits, Republican strategists and other anonymous apologists.
All of which were varying attempts to minimize, discredit or otherwise discount entirely the indictment of Scooter Libby, the continuing investigation into a matter that the CIA felt was serious enough to refer it to the DOJ for further inquiry and criminal prosecution, and/or the implications that this matter has on the Administration and the persons who work for it.
You expect this from members of the President’s party, after all Washington, D.C., is a very political place and defending your territory is a second nature response. But I do not expect to see Democrats on shows or in the papers or magazines minimizing this or allowing patently false statements to just be made without taking the person making them to task.
So, consider this my contribution to the would be pundits out there.
When Orrin Hatch or Kay Bailey Hutchinson or any other Republican appear with you on a talk show and say something to the effect of “no underlying crime” or “perjury technicality”, you should be ready to respond to them with something other than a “Well, I’ve known Orrin for a long time,” head shake, “and I’m not certain what he’s talking about here.”
Here’s my free suggestion on what you can say. Call it my contribution to the uplifting of American discourse on the law and our country. Or call it “I’m sick of people not knowing what in the hell they are talking about when they represent my party on TV.” Whatever. But it’s free for the taking — please just use it.
Here’s what you can say:
Oh, I’m sorry. I thought I just heard you say that perjury was a technicality. Is that for everyone? Or only your Republican cronies?
If sarcasm isn’t your style, and you want something more erudite, you can try this.
I think I may have misheard you, Senator. I believe you just dismissed the entire notion of the rule of law because one of your Republican cronies was indicted, and I find that appalling. The law applies to every citizen of our great nation. Don’t you think that everyone should abide by the laws equally, Senator?
That still doesn’t work for you? Well, then, how about something like this.
I’m sorry. I may have missed a recent Supreme Court decision where the rule of law was suspended for Republicans. Are you saying that the serious charge of lying to a criminal investigator or trying to thwart an investigation into a breach of national security matters is only important when it applies to petty criminals — or especially if you can apply it to a Democrat? So are you saying that anyone who happens to be one of your Republican cronies should not have to follow the law?
See how easy that can be? Here’s a good one for someone who has formerly worked as a prosecutor, either in a state position or as attorney general or as a US Attorney.
Well, you’ve worked as a US Attorney, haven’t you _____? (Victoria, Joe, whatever — name your apologist) How many times did you file perjury or obstruction or false statements against a defendant you were prosecuting, where you felt those charges were trivial and unwarranted? None?
Hmmmm…well, it seems kind of odd that you would put these particular charges in that category when all you know about the case is the same stuff I’m reading in the paper. Maybe you should stop relying on the GOP talking points faxes for your information. Isn’t it true, counselor, that prosecutors often use such charges as leverage in criminal conspiracy cases as a means to pressure a lower level operative to flip on someone higher in the conspiracy? (I could go on here, but you get my point, I think.)
But perhaps I should just allow the words of Patrick Fitzgerald to speak for themselves as to whether or not these are serious and appropriate charges.
FITZGERALD: I’ll be blunt.
That talking point won’t fly. If you’re doing a national security investigation, if you’re trying to find out who compromised the identity of a CIA officer and you go before a grand jury and if the charges are proven — because remember there’s a presumption of innocence — but if it is proven that the chief of staff to the vice president went before a federal grand jury and lied under oath repeatedly and fabricated a story about how he learned this information, how he passed it on, and we prove obstruction of justice, perjury and false statements to the FBI, that is a very, very serious matter.
And I’d say this: I think people might not understand this. We, as prosecutors and FBI agents, have to deal with false statements, obstruction of justice and perjury all the time. The Department of Justice charges those statutes all the time.
When I was in New York working as a prosecutor, we brought those cases because we realized that the truth is the engine of our judicial system. And if you compromise the truth, the whole process is lost.
In Philadelphia, where Jack works, they prosecute false statements and obstruction of justice.
When I got to Chicago, I knew the people before me had prosecuted false statements, obstruction and perjury cases.
And we do it all the time. And if a truck driver pays a bribe or someone else does something where they go into a grand jury afterward and lie about it, they get indicted all the time.
Any notion that anyone might have that there’s a different standard for a high official, that this is somehow singling out obstruction of justice and perjury, is upside down.
If these facts are true, if we were to walk away from this and not charge obstruction of justice and perjury, we might as well just hand in our jobs. Because our jobs, the criminal justice system, is to make sure people tell us the truth. And when it’s a high-level official and a very sensitive investigation, it is a very, very serious matter that no one should take lightly.
I think that is pretty clear all on its own. The law applies to everyone. We are a nation of laws, not of kings.
And for those people who keep insisting that this case is a nothing case, and that no one was harmed and it’s just being pushed for a partisan agenda because Valerie Wilson wasn’t even a CIA operative, she was some sort of desk jockey? Again, I’m going to let Patrick Fitgerald speak for himself.
I can say that for the people who work at the CIA and work at other places, they have to expect that when they do their jobs that classified information will be protected. And they have to expect that when they do their jobs, that information about whether or not they are affiliated with the CIA will be protected.
And they run a risk when they work for the CIA that something bad could happen to them, but they have to make sure that they don’t run the risk that something bad is going to happen to them from something done by their own fellow government employees.
I think that is very clear. There are several people working for this Administration — and a whole lot of people schilling for it — who have a lot to be ashamed of right now. Not the least of which is their blatant disregard for the rule of law in their public statements about this case.
This nation was founded on a rule of law that applied to everyone, no matter their status or connections — to throw that away for short term political gain is craven and shameful, and I am disgusted watching people twist themselves into ethical pretzels trying to do just that. For shame.
(Woman Holding a Balance, Jan Vermeer, 1664, National Gallery of Art, Washington, D.C.)
Update: Looks like we made the NYT.



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I think it’s pretty telling that Miers was withdrawn RIGHT after Arlen Specter said he’d ask about Guantanamo. What is the specific aspect of Guantanamo that Bush is afraid of revealing?
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Even Rep. Patrick Kennedy Teddy’s son has not signed!! The list of names are live links to the reps websites to make it easy to send to those who are supposed to be Representing all Americans not just their districts.
On http://www.Congress.org/ there is a section where you can write to a report by name under MEDIA or you can send to 5 or 6 news media outlets at a time.
The letters to media are not published online but your letter to any Congressperson (most on their official sites will not let those who are not constiuents use their email form) and the letter will be published on the main page and under the Congressperson’s section if you click yes to the second question on their email form allowing them to publish, until it is pushed down by other letters.
I have found that emails to Congress.org get a much better rate of replies than to the government websites.
I wrote to “mikey” Isikov quoting the entry in this Blog and couldn’t help but mention Mockingbird MK-ULTRA associations with WaPo.
Kathi — the image of Orrin Hatch doing the “pee pee dance” was so funny, I’ve been laughing out loud for the last three or four minutes. Thanks much — I needed that today.
I noticed too, that the one thing that was absent from all the discussions is the fact that this is an ONGOING investigation. I think Fitzgerald was pretty clear that the reason he did not charge on the, “underlying crime,” was that he is still investigating and intends to “Get to the bottom of this.” and, “Find out the truth!”
I also was watching the body language of the pundits. On HardBall, Kate O’Bierne although trying to maintain her composure, looked like she was going to choke. The bald guy was hyperventilating so bad I thought he might pass out. Orin Hatch the other day was talking himself through a minefield and doing the “Pee Pee,” dance.
I think that these guys made such a big stink over Clinton and the ,”It’s the P-E-R-J-U-R-Y STUPID!” that they have really painted themselves in a corner, and I think the democrats ought to be civil, and polite and just stand back and let them Dangle slowly in the wind , hoisted on their own petard!
It will also show how important it is, Wolf, when you’re president of the United States to pick the right people to be attorney general of the United States. You go back and look at the history of this case, and John Ashcroft was AG, a very political individual, former United States senator, governor.
When this case first broke, he had to recuse himself because he was considered a political person. He gave all of his authority to James Comey, who was then deputy attorney general. Comey passed it off because it was too politically hot for him and he was worried about his political future. And he gave it to Patrick Fitzgerald.
When you go back and look at the history of this case, it will show categorically that who is in charge of the Justice Department can sometimes determine the fate of an administration.
So let me translate
If that damn Comey hadn’t stuck his big fat nose in this and actually forced John Ashcroft to Recuse himself, and brought in that “Goody goody Two Shoes,” Patrick Fitzgerald, this thing would have been neatly swept under the rug and we wouldn’t be here now!”
“If Mr. Fitzgerald is going to demand a public recounting of conversations between the vice president, or even the president, and his staff, on matters he, himself, has acknowledged are ‘classified,’ executive privilege will obviously be invoked.”
SO…… NOW they are worried about classified information and National Security!!! I seeee..
“It should be pretty obvious to anyone with any intelligence that while the Democrats may be “your” party, they certainly do not represent the intentions of the general public. It is not that they are too stupid or incompetant and need your help to craft talking points, it is that they are in cahoots withthe powers that want this minimized. You guys are like jilted lovers who never give up.”
Malooga
Sadly,this is what even I,a former diehard Democrat,believe. For the most part,genuine Democrats no longer exist.
Son of Timmeh. Hee hee. http://www.gawker.com/news/edu…..134146.php
I hope it doesn’t go to all your brilliant heads. It’s so refreshing here. No kool kids and everyone seems to have moved beyond a high school social mentality.
Though that comment alone may get me banned.
I just want to ask every Republican spinner ranting about a trivial perjury charge with no underlying crime: Are you in favor of giving Bill Clinton back his law license, since his perjury was so trivial? And what about a posthumous pardon for Alger Hiss, who was never convicted of spying, only the “trivial” crime of lying under oath?
Roger.. is your name a typo? Isn’t Roger Blogod?
All right, can we finally stop adding the word “blog-” to everything? It was cute for a while, but now it’s getting annoying.
You have a point, but once these things get started, they can get out of control. Like the e-whatever prefix, this linguistic practice is now entrenched in the blogocosm.
Signals, like you I think there’s a lot of minimalization going on. Why does Harry Reid want an apology from Bush re his administration’s misdeeds. What does he think that will do? Perhaps it will give the dems some political hay in the next elections, but it seems to sell way short the real implication of traitor gate: the lies and collusion in foisting the war on the American people and the world.
Is it a deeper game Reid is playing asking for an apology, trying to get Bush to take ownership for the war? Why would he trivilialze it that way, down to mere apology?
Between Iraq and Katrina I really don’t understand how anyone opposed to the Bush admin could be demanding anything less than impeachment based on lies, deceit, arrogance and mismanagement. Lies and deceit on their own, but paired with mismangaement, it’s positively deadly!
Impeach Bush now!
How about responding to these minimalizations and trivializations by just demanding the the Vice President either explain why he directed a Wilson smear campaign aboard his plane on the return trip from Norfolk or resign. Letting Republican operatives dictate the agenda is the wrong strategy. We should dictate the debate to the real source: Dick Cheney
Dan, gives new meaning to I’ll scratch your back (eyes out) doesn’t it.
Their new found Shock and Awe Inner Child routine is pathetic.
(Thanks marysz, I’ve long forgotten my login details there and not sure I feel like reregistering)
Mike Allen from Time was on a “very special” Tweety last night positively giddy about god knows what. What’s his damage? He sounded like an idiot.
Hmmm, a mention AND a link in the NYTimes. Interesting how they didn’t link “…the usual blogs – DailyKos, AmericaBlog, Instapundit and Wonkette.” I guess that means FDL is an up and comer.
“I would say that’s a pretty significant blogometric pressure,” said David L. Sifry, the chief executive of Technorati.
All right, can we finally stop adding the word “blog-” to everything? It was cute for a while, but now it’s getting annoying.
Have a BLOGTASTIC day!
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Rove fucked Libby, about as much as Libby fucked himself. From http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01130.html
He was grieving over his mother’s death about 10 days ago — the same day he learned that White House adviser Karl Rove told the grand jury that Libby may have been the first to inform him of the identity of CIA covert operative Valerie Plame.
Now let’s see if Libby returns the favor.
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For the right wing to claim that the leak case is bogus because there was allegedly no real damage is highly irresponsible and hypocritical.
1. How do they know there was no damage? Whatever damage assessment the CIA made, that in itself would be classified material. And, at the very least, it damaged Velarie Plame Wilson’s professional career.
2. Even if there was no damage, the application of the ani-leak law does not require that there be provable damage. One just has to break the law. The law is there as a deterrent as well as a punitive measure.
3. When Clinton was impeached the hue and cry was that his lying about a consensual sex affair “damaged” the rule of law in this country, even though there was no provable damage to anyone, except the waste of the public’s money in the impeachment process.
Isikoff is another former WaPo man, just like Mike Allen.
From the Isikoff piece:
One lawyer involved in the case who declined to be identified because of the matter’s confidentiality said Novak decided “early on” to cooperate with Fitzgerald’s probe and ID his source—whom Fitzgerald never charged, apparently because the mystery leaker told the truth to the grand jury.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/….._9835.html
Paragraph 21 of the indictment:
21. On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke to a senior official in the White House (”Official A” ) who advised LIBBY of a conversation Official A had earlier that week with columnist Robert Novak in which Wilson’s wife was discussed as a CIA employee involved in Wilson’s trip. LIBBY was advised by Official A that Novak would be writing a story about Wilson’s wife.
Seems pretty damned clear to me that Official A is Novak’s original source. Seems pretty damned clear to me that Official A is the focus of Fitzgerald’s inquiry.
So what is Isikoff talking about?????
That “Poor Scooter” article is so over-the-top, it’s hard to know where to begin, it sounds like an Onion article.
Mary Matalin translation: “Whining is not in Scooty-Scoot’s lexicon [ever since Friday, when focus groups revealed that whininess on the part of a perp may be in bad form — he’s now restricted to whining at home, where he’ll only bug the crap out of Harriet], but it’s certainly in MY lexicon, so let me do it on his behalf.”
Do they really think average Americans are going to feel sorry for poor widdle Scootie? After he obstructed an investigation into serious criminality amongst the Let-’em-eat-cake administration? I know they want to create their own reality, but, sheesh…
And then the bit about how Libby is “not an ideologue.” Well, if that’s the case, I imagine he’ll be stripped of his PNAC membership card immediately.
I suppose it was the “pragmatist” in him speaking when, according to the article, he warned executive branch colleagues not to take notes, or at least to destroy them so no snoopy future prosecutor can read them later. That surely makes him a sympathetic defendant, no? Such an upright guy.
Doesn’t it just make you wanna donate some of your hard-earned dollars to the Save-the-Scoooter Legal Fund?
” . . . the man who friends insist was honored to serve for all the right reasons was forced to resign his $161,000 job as the vice president’s chief of staff and as a special assistant to the president — hobbling out of the White House on crutches because he recently broke his foot.
“He has no sense of entitlement, no sense that he’s been victimized.Matalin on Libby: “”He knows he has got a job to do, and he will get it done. . . . Whining is not in his lexicon.”
That article in today’s WaPo is about nothing BUT whining and self-pity.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01130.html
Shez: Here’s the mention of FDL in the Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10…..1blog.html
John Palcewski:
Thank you for your great post at 3:40. Safire was a speechwriter for Nixon. Government needs more Pat Fitzgeralds.
Certainly a shaken and subdued Bush on his presser right now. Stumblebumblefucking his way through it.
lemond54:
Your 4:45 is probably right, but I am still holding out hope that Mary Matalin is signaling oily Dick and all the necons with a message from Scooter.
There will be a trial. I, Scooter, am not caving.
If the Veep resigns, I will cut a deal.
If the Veep does not resign, there will be a trial and the Veep and a lot of other people will testify in open court without GJ secrecy.
LOL GrandmaJ
btw.. is there a chance someone can please give us the FDL mention quotes from the NYT ? I’ve been patiently waiting to see what was said. :)
OT: Stupid Monday morning question –
Before today, when I typed a comment is would automatically center but post with left margins aligned. Today the comment posts as centered. Did I mess up my formatting? Or are we just presenting more “centered” opinion these days. (sorry my humor is warped)
McCain is on Imus.
My hope is that McCain is running for 2008 with stops at the VP’s office and the Oval office.
He just said Fitzpatrick will be the Attorney General someday. He is really, really praising Fitzpatrick.
McCain is throwing out bones to the neocons, but I think he has to, to get their support to persuade oily Dick to resign.
Whatever happened to “It’s not the sex, it’s the lying.” Clinton can be impeached for perjury in a civil case, but suddenly it’s a “technicality” if a White House official commits perjury as part of a criminal investigation?
Every damn Democrat on the talk shows should be pointing this out. But instead we get these befuddled head shakes that suggest “Well, maybe my Republican colleague has a point here. Maybe perjury isn’t a big deal.”
Arrgghhh!
New Repub meme via WaPo today and Mary Matalin. I. Lewis Libby, aka “Scooter” Libby:
“He has no sense of entitlement, no sense that he’s been victimized. Just an attitude of ‘circumstances have to be dealt with,’ ” said Mary Matalin, a friend and former White House colleague, who spoke to Libby over the weekend. “He knows he has got a job to do, and he will get it done. . . . Whining is not in his lexicon.”
Mary’s using a device here. She’s saying”Scooter” is entitled NOT to be indicted. He’s an investment banker’s son/servant of the people! HE’s the victim, not VP or JW or the American people!.
Everything is backwards in bizarro world.
wonder if, when you are playing rugby, you attack the other team’s weakest point or their strongest point? I honestly don’t know
Arbogahst, in America, the spirit of rugby is to charge ahead and damn the consequences (bumps, blood, etc.). It is gleeful and free. And at the end, everyone dirnks together from the same keg.
A bit different from criminal litigation.
but interesting about Fitz, perhaps. My guess it that rugby is a great release for a serious mind the glleful and free part
ReddHedd, I like your alternative Dem. rebuttals. You show that we have to rebuild the Democratic Party (infuse it with a lot of fighters) no matter what happens to the evil GOP empire.
From The New Yorker http://www.newyorker.com/fact/…..107fa_fact
It was not for lack of initiative or cleverness that Libby failed at his mission, which was to get the AdministrationÂ’s version of the Wilson story into the Times. He simply hadnÂ’t realized how rapidly MillerÂ’s stock was falling at the paper.
In my experience, when people tell lies, they tend to start believing the lies of others. Libby was lying about WMD and Iraq, and he couldn’t spot the misrepresentations and lies of Judy Miller.
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Thanks Enigma, for your contribution to this all purpose site
Alito’s opinion was to uphold a state law that required a woman to inform her husband before she obtained an abortion. (I don’t believe that the law required the husband’s permission.) That provision of the law was overturned in the US Supreme Court.
Thanks, John Caspar for your comments.
Bush is breaking his misogynist SCOTUS nominee on the Today show and Good Morning, America? Is this so that millions of women viewers will be the first to know that they’re back on the way to being second-class citizens? Time to filibuster.
Shez in MI:
Thanks for the break.
Jonathan Altar on Imus is reporting that Alito has issued an opinion that at least leaves open the possibility that a woman cannot obtain an abortion without the husband’s consent.
Don’t know if this means husband or father or if Altar is correct at all about this opinion.
I’m also hooked on this blog. Thanks, everyone.
arbogast:
Thanks very much for your post.
FWIW: Vermeer’s, “Young Woman at the Virginal,” (not the one ReddHedd used) is the most recent Vermeer to be sold. I think it went for @$30 million, U.S. at Sotheby’s London within the last two years.
Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry both worked for Mara’s Giants as assistant coaches.
Breaking News on CNN:
Bush nominates Samuel Alito to SCOTUS
About five minutes into MTP I fell into a state of cognitive dissonance, especially when Safire uttered that obscene lie that after 22 months Fitz uncovered no underlying crime. Safire kept his eyes on his bony hands because he KNEW he was lying through his teeth. He read the indictment, and he KNEW that Fitz made it clear that the reason he didn’t indict for underlying crimes was because Scooter obstructed justice. The rest of those pathetic clowns didn’t do much better. I was about to puke but then I thought: Compare these asswipes and their guilty downcast eyes, all of them, to the open, direct, eye-contact passion of Fitz. He didn’t need to look down in shame, because he spoke the TRUTH. And that fucking jerk Safire knows it…
Marysz,
Great catch. Maybe Scooter’s wife, Harriet, (she has to be mortified by the stupidity of the Aspen’s letter) can explain to Scooter that his boss is a damn coward.
Why should the younger man, Scooter, go to jail for the older man, who gave the orders? With Cheney’s well documented heart condition, he will not be spending time “out in the yard” learning about the old rappers, “Bones, Thugs, and Harmony.”
My hope is that the WaPo article and insightful posts such as yours will help Harriet to talk a little sense into Scooter, to do what, oh by the way, is in the best interests of the nation too.
Remember what this is all about. It is about truth and transparency in our government.
From http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ss…..on/3426826
WASHINGTON – The National Security Agency has kept secret since 2001 a finding by an agency historian that NSA officers deliberately distorted critical intelligence during the Tonkin Gulf episode that helped precipitate the Vietnam War, according to two people familiar with the historian’s work.
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Both men said Hanyok thought the initial misinterpretation of North Vietnamese intercepts was probably an honest mistake. But after months of detective work in NSA’s archives, he concluded midlevel agency officials discovered the error almost immediately but covered it up and doctored documents so that they appeared to provide evidence of an attack.
The wealth of the greatest American generation was poured into Vietnam because of these falsehoods. The wealth of our children will be spent paying off the debts incurred by this generation because of Cheney/Libby’s falsehoods.
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Swopa, thank you so much for your 10:46. It brings into focus WHIG’s pre-Fitz strategy. As long as Ashcroft is AG, they reveal that they feel as though they can act with really reckless impunity.
It might be that it was the “appearance of protection” that Ashcroft provided that lulled WHIG’ers into a false sense of security and accounted for early statements to FBI and SGJ. It is these statements that provided Fitz with his earliest significant leverage.
Really enjoyed your discussion with emptywheel yesterday at Next Hurrah. Often I just flat out cannot keep up with emptywheel. Reading your discussion yesterday certainly pushed back my ignorance in several areas.
No, I’m up and prepping for a job interview.
Or not.
Just to remind people about what Rove can remember or not remember, from http://www.dallasobserver.com/…..ure_6.html
Early on, Rove showed he had the brainpower to go places. His sister remembers that the family used to rely on Rove’s photographic memory for evening entertainment. “The game was, ‘See if you can stump Karl,’” she says. His older brother Eric would read a passage from a book Karl had read the week before. The challenge was to guess which word his brother had intentionally left out.
You know that Fitz has this guy nailed.
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Looks like I’m the only one awake right now. Up and getting my kid off to school . . . in today’s WaPo, an article expressing surprise that Libby’s indicted . . . his mother died, he broke his foot and he won’t be able to ride to work in Cheney’s motorcade anymore.
Welcome to the world of ordinary Americans, scooter.
“It takes a lot of dough to deal with this, and I would not characterize him as wealthy,” said Jackson Hogan, a friend from Andover and Yale. “It wouldn’t take too long to empty the family’s coffers with legal bills.”
“His wife, Harriet Grant, was a Democratic staff lawyer on the Senate Judiciary Committee who chose to stay home after their children were born.”
Libby can be the stay-at-home dad and Harriet can go back to work.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..130_2.html
There is a long article in the Post today about how shocked Libby’s friends are by the indictment.
I wonder if, when you are playing rugby, you attack the other team’s weakest point or their strongest point? I honestly don’t know.
I also don’t know whether the Bush administration’s strongest point is Libby. It is possible that with this indictment, Fitzgerald has picked a weak point.
It is also true that, even if a thousand pardons bloom in this case, Libby still has to go through the grunt work of preparing a case. And his level of uncertainty has sky-rocketed. It’s a new world out there for the man who drove to work each day in Cheney’s motorcade.
I yield to ‘Me’, whose insights are sometimes eerily correct.
ReddHedd, you are an eloquent, brilliant advocate and writer. I congratulate you. I agree with you completely and thank you for a superb post.
I love the Vermeer too.
This blog is an example of all that is best in America.
The only thing I would add is the element of emotion. I think that the talking heads who get on national television and contradict a completely honest, ethical, hard-working, and fair prosecutor should think about what the effect of their statements is on the team the prosecutor leads.
All the reports in the media indicate that Fitzgerald’s team would throw themselves into the fires of hell for him. Fitzgerald is a superb leader. What do you think the effect on that team is when the hear their work trashed and mocked on national television?
Please excuse the football analogy, but ask the Washington Redskins what the effect is. When one of Wellington Mara’s 40 grandchildren sings the national anthem before the game to commemorate Mara after he had died this week, it becomes more difficult to beat the Giants, much more difficult.
Yes, Bush is clearly trying to pack the Supreme Court to head this prosecution off the same way he headed off electoral defeat in his first election, and, yes, he undoubtedly discussed exactly what Miers duties would be with her before her appointment, but I assure you that anything he has thought of Fitzgerald has thought of too, and everything that is happening is pouring a brimming cup of inspiration into the minds and hearts of his team.
Plamegate Timeline, with Indictment details added and updated as needed…..http://plamegatetimeline.blogspot.com/, pass it on to jwp thanks….
( great post tonight thanks again)
Please have mercy on everybody’s eyes and put the comment text back to left aligned Thanks :-)
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Peteypuck: Don’t watch Brit Hume…nothing good comes out of his mouth. I’m sure it was ugly.
speaking of Juan Williams….
I have memories of television news from my childhood, late 50’s early 60’s, seeing Jim Crow assaulting black civil rights protesters with attack dogs and fire hoses.
Am I the only one who was angered and offended by what Brit Hume said?
NYbri: I’ve been addicted to this site for a few weeks now and have read a lot of your comments here. Checked out your new site and will be looking forward to you daily emails. Good Luck to you!
Patriot: Ah yes, I couldn’t remember his name and I watched too many political shows today!
thanks for the reminder!
blu — ken duberstein said that on Press the Meat.
(I just now posted the following at Gilliard’s, and, for what it’s worth, have faith my conclusion is a proper one).
The GOP is so accustomed to lying with impunity that even now they’re disbelieving that the rock under which they’ve escaped honest srutiny has been overturned.
This weekend has found them vastly annoyed, and they resent it like hell. But next weekend will be worse, as will next month, as will next year.
When even the likes of a craven pissant like Juan Williams of Fox feels obliged to acknowledge the simple truth, that comfortable old rock of theirs may as well be on the moon, for all the good it’ll do them now.
Fitzgerald’s indictment this past Friday was like the snap of a twig that triggers an avalanche.
The American people were betrayed into waging war. No force on earth- not a criminal conspiracy, or even a complicit congress- will prevent them from soon drawing that precise conclusion.
The crime is so infamous that heretofore most have refused to even consider it. Some things take time, that’s all. And the clock began ticking Friday afternoon.
NYBri, wow. Political Cortex looks great! Nice design. Acutally, really nice design.
I’ll be watching.
Any late nighters want to kick the tires on my wine and halloween candy sugar- high fueled post and new graphic over at the dartboard?
“Here Comes the Smokescreen”
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-Monk
This is an excellent blog and well deserving of a mention in the NYT.
Just wanted to add something to the SCOTUS discussion. I can’t remember what talk show I heard this on but there was a guy from the Regan administration talking about how Regan handled the extreme right.
He said that Regan was the darling of the right, but that Regan didn’t give them everything they wanted. He said Regan understood that they needed something to be angry about because it helped them to raise money. That they thrived on that. That Regan knew they would never be satisfied, so he gave them a little but not everything. I have been of this opinion for some time now. If there was only some way to settle this issue of abortion!
A follow-up to the previous thread’s topic … I just posted on a hilarious previous misadventure by Isikoff when reporting on Plame two years ago.
Y’know the famous WaPo 1×2×6 scoop — an anonymous senior official saying that two WH officials called at least six reporters? Here’s what Rove and his pals sold to Newsweek:
” . . the prospect that a “senior administration official” goofed big time is gaining fast currency among those familiar with the events in the current Washington leak controversy, sources close to the case tell NEWSWEEK.
. . . more than 10 days after the story exploded, an alternative theory is emerging among those who are directly involved in the leak case: that the “senior administration official” quoted in the Washington Post piece simply got it wrong. There were indeed White House phone calls to reporters about Wilson’s wife. But most, if not all, of these phone calls, were made after the Novak column appeared, some government officials now believe.”
The post includes links/quotes from my nearly real-time debunking of the story in Oct. 2003.
Isikoff: A tool then, a tool now.
During the Congressional hearings for SC justice, can a previous ruling by the said jurist (assuming no more Harriet Miers) be used to form a hypothetical question about potential future cases? In other words, could that rarity of being, a brave Democrat, say: Judge Rasputin, you ruled such-and-such in so-and-so. Does that indicate that you believe A SITTING VICE-PRESIDENT CANNOT BE FORCED TO TESTIFY IN OPEN COURT?”
WaPo has an uplifting tidbit that’s sourced to people familiar with Fitzgerald and the case saying that Rove is still in danger of being indicted.
Congrats on the NYTimes mention…of course you can’t trust a thing they say…
:>)
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Press saying Bush will pick Samuel Alito for SC. If true, I say it’s high time to place a multi-year moratorium on any more Yale graduates in our government. Just take a look at what we’ve gotten (yes, yes, I know, Bill and Hillary): Wolfowitz, Libby, Feith, Bush and Bush to name but a few of the worst. Something’s in the water there in New Haven. (In the interest of full disclosure: My daughter graduated from Yale.)
Read through about a Kazillion comments today. I am very impressed by the detailed analysis of who said what when.
Extremely helpful. Except I cannot remember it all.
Has anyone compiled a thorough chronology? One that goes into the minute detail of the comments?
I would love to see one.
As for where we are now, I doubt that the spin of the moment will have much impact. My guess is that the drama lies many weeks ahead.
My assumption is that Fitz will avoid security counts, and will not seek a conspiracy indictment (though I feel certain a conspiracy existed).
The Libby indictment tells a lot. And it could be made public in a trial.
I doubt Libby will flip. I think Fitz doubts Libby will flip. I think Fitz will push forward to a relatively simple trial (i.e., one without classified info).
I think the ripple effects from that simple trial will be enormous. Gigantic.
I think that the ability of Fitz to recognize the ripple effects, and the ability to recongize the wisdom of avoiding the delay involved with classified info, is impressive. Fire under control.
Of course, it is just a guess.
Regarding CIA damage —
who knows for sure, but…
http://darrelplant.dailykos.co…..of%20Honor
While there are many interesting facets of this case, what started it all, and the most important element, are the real-world consequences of outing covert agents.
This from Wikipedia:
An anonymous star was added to the wall between named stars that can be dated to deaths on February 5, 2003 and October 25, 2003. The anonymous star thus fits the timing of the Plame leak. Wayne Madsen, a reporter and former NSA employee, has claimed, “CIA sources report that at least one anonymous star placed on the CIA’s Wall of Honor at its Langley, Virginia headquarters is a clandestine agent who was executed in a hostile foreign nation as a direct result of the White House leak.”
So, for all those out there who think this is just politics, think about the person behind that anonymous star.
I too wonder what’s all this crap about “2nd term crisis”? Didn’t all of these criminal acts happen 1-2 years ago BEFORE the election????
PLEASE-MAKE-IT-STOP!!!
DCmedia girl picks up another motive Fitz specifically alludes to for everyone involved (including Judy) to stonewall, obstruct justice and lie.
http://dcmediagirl.com/index.p…..029-190143
Who needs “underlying charges” when the job of “leader of the free world” is at stake?
Thanks ReddHedd.
Another talking point idiots like Tucker Carlson throw out is that nobody can prove that anybody was hurt through the outing of Valerie Plame.
That must be the “Look Judge, nobody was hurt when my client was driving with a blood alcohol level of 2.0 since he was stopped by the cops before having an accident” argument.
Well, its late in Wyoming, I can hear the brakes squealing on the trains carrying all Cheney’s coal in the distance.
The neighbor has long since rolled up his American flag, hung his NASCAR hat on its appropriate hook, maybe catching a little desperate housewives on the DVR. Too racy for the kids, you know?
Perfect time for me to crack a beer, point the speakers at his house, and blast some Megadeth!
read my lips…read my lips..read my lips…
good night!
I thought SCOTUS and Diebold elected them and we pay for them, unless you make over $200,000 a year. If you do, sorry…for me…not you.
Ha! On that note, adieu!
Remember, they elected themselves.
“WHY do we elect these people?”
ummm…. So we can convict them and send them to prison?
LJ/Aquaria,No it is not easy for me to say. But as long as they have the battle cry of abortion they will win elections through emotions rather then logic.
Abortion laws will be settled state by state, it is already starting to happen that way . Their was a case of a prisioner who wanted an abortion and Thomas by himself stepped in and stopped it. Roberts then stepped in and stopped thomas from stepping on state rights.
No it is not easy for me to take this position. I know what it is like , I have been in that position. I am tired of hearing these nut cases use such an emotional issue to thwart every other issue in this nation.
“… One way to do that is to attempt to spin these crimes as minor, which apparently is being done on both sides of the aisle..”
Fine and dandy. Congressional oversight is becoming a thing of the past anyway.
Forgive me for asking. WHY do we elect these people?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10…..1blog.html
Congrats on making the NY Times guys ;)
It was skill and passion that brought you to the top. Keep up the excellent work :)
oops, sorry about the double post, clicked when I shoulda rolled.
When I was working for a corporation out of Texas, they had all of us managers read a book called Who moved my cheese?
A crap book pushed down employees’ throats by to help them understand “change”. How not to get angry at the little things the company does like handing over your pension fund to GOP gundraiser… That sort of thing.
I wonder if Bush is having Laura read him the latest edition of this CEO wonder book, perhaps “Fitz moved my cheese?”
One would hope, d.
I think what DiGennaro is touching on is that this isn’t a problem of Republicans, it’s a problem of power. You have to be able to pull some dirty tricks in order to rise to the White House, and it’s only the careless who get caught. Certainly this isn’t the first time in 35 years that a policy opponent has been smeared.
Ethics and morality are more disposable the higher one rises in the corridors of power, regardless of party affiliation. This is why the Democrats are soft-pedaling their responses, because they also would do it if they had the White House and a reason.
A firewall being set up now is to prevent a congressional inquiry that could lead to legislation making this kind of abuse of power more difficult and illegal than it is now. One way to do that is to attempt to spin these crimes as minor, which apparently is being done on both sides of the aisle..
According to CNN: Officials say that Bush won’t give a speech about the scandal or apologize for it until after the legal issues are wrapped up.
When is that…after he leaves office?
Malooga, I agree insofar as the Democrats are the jealous sibling of American politics…. or perhaps more aptly, the smaller hog. After being shoved off the trough for the last 10 years, they are very anemic, but they still want some of the good stuff—same as the GOP.
They have been using abortion for years to win elections. I say let them have what they want. Abortion laws can always be settled by the states.
Easy for you to say, Justme. But what about women who don’t live in a state where they will have access? Think something like this wouldn’t become common again? Scroll down for the picture. Hope it gives you pause for concern.
First. Kudos to Redd for another supurb post. Of course this one ain’t so hard after Fitz’s spot on arguments in the press conference. Speak seldom and with full force and conviction.
As to the Supreme Court nominee, I agree that the issue is not abortion – it is the imperial presidency. For this reason, Harriet Miers had to be stopped. I suspect that was the real underlying reason for the opposition from the right. I also suspect that there are many in washington who have come to realize that this is an administration literally spun out of control. That said, it will be challengin indeed to get anyone, right or left, who sold their soul in T.W.A.T. to cop to it now.
It should be pretty obvious to anyone with any intelligence that while the Democrats may be “your” party, they certainly do not represent the intentions of the general public. It is not that they are too stupid or incompetant and need your help to craft talking points, it is that they are in cahoots withthe powers that want this minimized. You guys are like jilted lovers who never give up.
Well… The people in the WH signed waivers giving up their right to take the 5th in this investigation. And I heard it bandied about that government employees could not use the 5th in some cases… I would need confirmation on that… But I am sure the WH all agreed to cooperate and answer all questions in this case or they had to clean out their desks.
When I was working for a corporation out of Texas, they had all of us managers read a book called Who moved my cheese?
A crap book pushed down employees’ throats by to help them understand “change”. How not to get angry at the little things the company does like handing over your pension fund to GOP gundraiser… That sort of thing.
I wonder if Bush is having Laura read him the latest edition of this CEO wonder book, perhaps “Fitz moved my cheese?”
I find it disgusting that conservative law professors are doing the same exact thing. Glenn Reynolds, Ann Althouse, etc. etc. all saying “no underlying crime”, “perjury is minor”, “too complex for me”.
In responding to Republican Spinners — perhaps one approach would be to remind them that the 5th Amendment allows a witness in a Grand Jury to refuse to answr questions on the grounds the answer might incrominate. It has to be done correctly — you have to take the 5th for all subsantative questions — you can’t cherry pick, but it does provide a way to not lie under oath.
Maybe we will get an epidemic of 5th Amendment Republicans if they are so reminded.
“this could mean Libby’s case could drag on to damn nearly januray 2009…I mean, it took a year just to get two reporters to testify..just sayin’…”
The press would be all over it the entire time. Every motion, every witness, every filing would be a story. The publicity alone could be enough to dramatically affect the mid-term elections.
“The report on Drudge that if Fitzgerald wants to have Cheney as a live witness it would lead to a showdown on executive priviliege goes to the heart of one of the reasons why Bush wanted Miers on the bench.”
this could mean Libby’s case could drag on to damn nearly januray 2009…I mean, it took a year just to get two reporters to testify..just sayin’…
These glass house dwellers should have thought twice when they said Clinton committed perjury (over what wasn’t a crime.) Since they like to accuse others of what they are guilty of, it was as if they knew it would come to this.
Fitz has no qualms about determining the rule of law in front of the Supreme Court. He knows more constitutional law than the White House… And the President and the VP are _not_ above the law.
Fitz can prove it ;)
True, by leaking this now Fitz keeps the story going.
He is slowly and methodically moving towards his prey.
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If Tweety’s speculation comes true and Bush appoints someone above and to the right of Miers, I’d say now is the time for the democrats to fight to block anything less than a proven moderate.
All the Dems have to do is say, ” If we can’t trust this administration to protect classified information, how can we trust them to pick a SCJ?”
So can a sitting VP be forced to testify in open court?
I hope Drudge’s story is true, since it will serve to keep the scandal on page one.
this blog has me hooked! Superb analysis.
The present Republican spinners would have us believe that Libby is.. well.. air. Dem pundits need to spin back by pointing out his long-standing role as a pivotal figure in the PNAC cabal, whose influence has for years vastly outstripped his public profile:– a founding member of the PNAC, sole author alongside Wolfy, of the 1992 DPG paper, which I believe first anticipated the military conquest by the US of countries in the rough vicinity of Iraq… thoughts that were echoed in the 2000 Rebuilding report, which also featured Libby as a co-author under Kagan. Somehow I haven’t seen this history discussed much… Libby has been front and center in the PNAC agenda from the start. Dem pundits need to be on this. Rove wasn’t there. Bush wasn’t there. Cheney was. Libby was.
It was the Supreme Court that really did Nixon in. Knowing this, Bush really wanted Miers there for him.
US v. Nixon was 8-0.
Wanna bet this time it’s more like 4-5?
Justice is nothing else than the advantage of the stronger. ‘Thrasymachus’, in Plato’s Republic
The report on Drudge that if Fitzgerald wants to have Cheney as a live witness it would lead to a showdown on executive priviliege goes to the heart of one of the reasons why Bush wanted Miers on the bench. He knew that she would rule in his favor on any question of executive privilege that got to the high court, and a showdown like this would almost inevitably get the the Supremes. Remember Watergate and the tapes? It was the Supreme Court that really did Nixon in. Knowing this, Bush really wanted Miers there for him. This was seldom noted in all the debate about Miers, and everybody got hung up on other side issues. Executive privilege was in my opinion, the whole point of the Miers appointment.
Thats why Bush will pick the MOST radical wing- Nut possable. Best for Dems to stay quiet and let them have their wing-nut.
If they criminalize abortion and mess with womens rights on the court they are done. they know it.
They have been using abortion for years to win elections. I say let them have what they want. Abortion laws can always be settled by the states.
joe digenova said something startlingly candid on cnn friday that i think worth highlighting. so much for the rule of law — it’s more a pick and choose kind of thing:
JOE DIGENOVA, FMR. PROSECUTOR: … First of all, after two years and spending a lot of money and being very aggressive and putting reporters in prison, this better be a damn good indictment. That’s my first reaction.
Because what has happened here is a political dispute has been turned into a crime, which, if that’s what happened, then so be it. But after this long, I really am waiting to see what the indictment says.
It will also show how important it is, Wolf, when you’re president of the United States to pick the right people to be attorney general of the United States. You go back and look at the history of this case, and John Ashcroft was AG, a very political individual, former United States senator, governor.
When this case first broke, he had to recuse himself because he was considered a political person. He gave all of his authority to James Comey, who was then deputy attorney general. Comey passed it off because it was too politically hot for him and he was worried about his political future. And he gave it to Patrick Fitzgerald.
When you go back and look at the history of this case, it will show categorically that who is in charge of the Justice Department can sometimes determine the fate of an administration.
BLITZER: But by all accounts, Patrick Fitzgerald, the United States attorney in Chicago who was given this assignment two years ago, is highly respected, has no political agenda that we know of his own.
DIGENOVA: That’s exactly right. And I wasn’t suggesting that he did.
My point is that when you lose control of something, and you lose the authority to make policy decisions about what laws should be enforced and what shouldn’t, then you end up where you are today. And it may very well be when we see this indictment that it will be an indictment that is based on solid foundations that is worthwhile and should have been brought no matter what.
All I’m saying is, after two years, it better be a good indictment.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..bn.02.html
this blog has me hooked! Superb analysis.
The present Republican spinners would have us believe that Libby is.. well.. air. Dem pundits need to spin back by pointing out his long-standing role as a pivotal figure in the PNAC cabal, whose influence has for years vastly outstripped his public profile:– a founding member of the PNAC, sole author alongside Wolfy, of the 1992 DPG paper, which I believe first anticipated the military conquest by the US of countries in the rough vicinity of Iraq… thoughts that were echoed in the 2000 Rebuilding report, which also featured Libby as a co-author under Kagan. Somehow I haven’t seen this history discussed much… Libby has been front and center in the PNAC agenda from the start. Dem pundits need to be on this. Rove wasn’t there. Bush wasn’t there. Cheney was. Libby was.
Monk- wouldn’t bet against that- it’s a slam dunk!
Tomorrow SHOULD be interesting, except for the fact that I will bet my last dollar that Bush will drop a controversial Supreme Court pick tomorrow in an effort to throw up a smoke screen over Friday’s indictment and it’s fallout.
:TimeStamp:
-Monk
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I like the idea of replacing the corncob up Vickie’s backside with a rooto rooter.
Fitz is turning up the heat…he’s got them thinking.
If you wanted to be snarky, ask Victoria how many Republicans she charged with perjury, or if they were all Democrats.
I concur. That was a superb post—one of your best.
I especially like the idea of asking Victoria about her own perjury prosecutions.
Fitz is gourgous! Whoever captures his heart will be very lucky.
You GO REDD!!!
Excellent post!!! It should be copied and sent to all the media outlets and to our representives in Congress.
You made quite a forcefull, and deadly accurate statement.
Reid: “there seems to be a pattern of unethical behavior”
How about: “The Republican Party is increasingly beginning to look like an organized crime racket”
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David
You mean: “Marry “me”"?
MARRY ME FITZI!!!
Up a little late aincha Redd?
Hi Redd- thanks for the new post. The gooper strategy is disgusting but totally predictable-
“Well hell- it ain’t like they HURT someone- boys will be boys”
Can’t say if it will work. I think this is a situation where they are better off saying nothing at all.
It is going to be an interesting monday.
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 30, 2005 18:31:21 ET XXXXX
PROSECUTOR PLANS ON CALLING CHENEY AS WITNESS IN OPEN COURT; EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE FIGHT LOOMS
**Exclusive**
Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is planning to call Vice President Dick Cheney as a witness in the trial of Lewis Libby, the DRUDGE REPORT has leaned.
But the high stakes move could result in an executive privilege showdown between the White House and Fitzgerald, a top government source said Sunday.
“If Mr. Fitzgerald is going to demand a public recounting of conversations between the vice president, or even the president, and his staff, on matters he, himself, has acknowledged are ‘classified,’ executive privilege will obviously be invoked.”
Fitzgerald has made it clear to lawyers involved in the case that he prefers Cheney appear as a witness in open court.
“Mr. Fitzgerald is starting from the position that this should not be done on remote or videotape,” the well-placed source said.
Fitzgerald and Libby’s attorney Joseph Tate discussed possible plea options before the indictment was issued last week, TIME magazine reports in new editions. But the deal was scotched because the prosecutor insisted that Libby do some “serious” jail time.
Developing…