It wasn’t like Michael Isikoff didn’t already have plenty to be ashamed of. After all, it was he who turned the pages of once-respectable Newsweek into a lurid bodice-ripper of Brobdingnagian proportions during Monicagate. I really didn’t think it was possible to top a journalistic career built on three-ways with Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp, but it seems I have underestimated the boy.
Isikoff really contorts himself into a shameless media pretzel in order to give Turdy a clean bill of political health today. I mean, I know Luskin is out there spinning — that’s his job as Rove’s attorney — but the idea that any journalist would unquestioningly accept whatever he says as an objective statement of fact and then print it as such is really quite remarkable even in a world of ever-escalating MSM shilling one-upsmanship, especially when Rove’s new "alibi" includes accusing Patrick Fitzgerald of prosecutorial misconduct.
That’s right. The rest of the world is lauding Fitzgerald’s press conference performance on Friday, while Isikoff gives Turdy a free pass by saying Fitzgerald is a White House operative who violated his principles and his mandate to please the President.
Isikoff reports:
Fitzgerald made another visit early Friday morning –shortly before the grand jury voted to indict Dick Cheney’s top aide, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby –to the office of James Sharp, President George W. Bush’s own lawyer in the case, to tell him the president’s closest aide would not be charged.
That is just a remarkable claim. Listen to Digby:
Can someone tell me why Fitzgerald would go to President Bush’s personal lawyer on Friday to tell him that Bush’s "closest aide wouldn’t be charged?" Is it in any possible sense ethical for the prosecutor to be telling the president’s lawyer information that isn’t available to the public about members of the president’s staff in the middle of an investigation?
If this is true, I think Mr Fitzgerald has some splainin’ to do, otherwise it might look like he’s got some back channel communication with the White House about a case that directly affects it. This would not seem in character for Mr Fitzgerald, who is by all accounts a very ethical prosecutor. If this is true, it’s a bomb shell. Fitzgerald has no business discussing Karl Rove with anyone but Karl Rove and Karl Rove’s lawyer.
I think it was Maureen Dowd who said that investigative reporting is not just stenography. Since when did Isikoff turn Newsweek into the fucking White House fax machine? Can he not be bothered to pick up a phone and call an impartial attorney and figure out this action on the part of Fitzgerald, if true, is totally, utterly and completely illegal?But let’s not interrupt Mikey, he’s on quite a roll:
Rove remains in some jeopardy, but the consensus view of lawyers close to the case is that he has probably dodged the bullet.
Consensus view of who? Luskin and his team of lawyers? The same people who were out spinning their guts on Thursday night, saying Rove was still on the hook, only to have their asses handed to them on Friday when Fitzgerald was completely inscrutable about the whole Rove question? Would Isikoff like to say what has happened between now and then to change their opinion of the situation? Oh, I forgot, Fitzgerald went to the offices of Bush’s criminal attorney and talked out of school. Doh!!So sorry, then there is also the fabulous "Adam Levine" excuse, which Isikoff dutifully and credulously transcribes as if it actually makes sense:
Two sources close to Rove who asked not to be identified because the probe is ongoing said Luskin presented evidence that gave the prosecutor "pause."
Yeah, "pause" as in this is your fucking defense?
One small item was a July 11, 2003, e-mail Rove sent to former press aide Adam Levine saying Levine could come up to his office to discuss a personnel issue. The e-mail was at 11:17 a.m., minutes after Rove had gotten off the phone with Matt Cooper —the same conversation (in which White House critic Joe Wilson’s wife’s work for the CIA was discussed) that Rove originally failed to disclose to the grand jury. Levine, with whom Rove often discussed his talks with reporters, did immediately go up to see Rove. But as Levine told the FBI last week, Rove never said anything about Cooper.
Wow. Now it all makes perfect sense. Rove’s flunky sashays into his office and Rove doesn’t tell him he’s just engaged in criminal activity, therefore he didn’t. This is the rock upon which Rove will build his defense. I can see it now. Fitzgerald turns tail and abandons 22 months of hard work and his case against Rove based on this ineluctable logic. If that’s all they’ve got, Turdy’s next gig will involve a power grab in the license plate shop.
The Levine talk was arguably helpful to one of Luskin’s arguments: that, as a senior White House official, Rove dealt with a wide range of matters and might not remember every conversation he has had with journalists.
Help me, ‘cos I’ve missed the logic leap here. Are they claiming that since Rove didn’t mention the conversation moments later, he forgot it? That really just does not seem remarkably helpful to any defense. Then I suppose that in his haste to play the Jeff Gannon role in all of this, Isikoff might have failed to transcribe some sort of transitional statement that indicated Levine could also attest to the fact that Rove regularly forgets things. What an interesting claim. It was Digby who points us to the Dallas Observer in 1999:
Early on, Rove showed he had the brainpower to go places. His sister remembers that the family used to rely on Rove’s photographic memory for evening entertainment. "The game was, ‘See if you can stump Karl,’" she says. His older brother Eric would read a passage from a book Karl had read the week before. The challenge was to guess which word his brother had intentionally left out.
I think Rove may be possessed of what my father would refer to as a "convenient forgetter."
Isikoff then spends the rest of the article shouting "hey, look, over there! Robert Novak! Let’s not forget about him!" How very helpful.
You know, I’m really making an effort these days to go light on the four-letter words, but this entire article is just an outrage. A shameless, embarrassing excuse as a journalistic effort, and whether it is out of sheer laziness, mental infirmity or partisan hackery it is hard to say, often these things are unleashed upon the world as the toxic cocktail of all three.
But if what Isikoff is saying is true, then Newsweek should be all over Fitzgerald and calling for him to recuse himself from the investigation. If it’s not true, the rest of us should be calling on Newsweek to recuse Michael Isikoff from using their pages as a radioactive waste dump for misinformation from criminals trying to influence an ongoing investigation.
I don’t normally do this, but you can contact Newsweek here. If this is the standard that the MSM is holding itself to in the inquiry into the administration’s role in a series of crimes, we’re all doomed.
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Drudge says that Fitz wants the evil overlord to testify. Showdown looming…….
This “dodged a bullet” hooey is reminiscent of the post-Katrina “dodged a bullet hooey” they tried to run to make the First Fuckup less culpable.
Can’t these guys think up new shit?
And can’t Croney Media recognize when they’re getting rechewed cud from the last catastrophe? They’re like the lead character in Memento — every day, their brains get wiped clean.
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From 60 minutes:
“People have said, ‘Oh, well, Valerie wasn’t serving in a sensitive position. So it’s not really that serious.Â’ Well, I would say that’s a very fallacious way of looking at this because a cover is for a clandestine officer can be different things at different times. We change cover. We modify cover based on how we need it,” says Mahle. “If you start to unravel one part of that, you can unravel the whole thing.”
Mahle says Valerie was working on important national security issues, like keeping tabs on nuclear material and the worldÂ’s top nuclear scientists. “She is an expert on weapons of mass destruction. These are the kind of people that don’t grow on trees.”
What do agents in that division do? “They’re trying to figure out, really, the hard questions of who has the capability obtaining and deploying a biological weapon. Or a chemical weapon. Who’s doing it? What are those networks? What are the financial trails?” says Mahle.
I think what happened here is simple enough for most Americans to understand. The Big daddy will protect you administration, is nothing but a bunch of punks.
A simple explanation for the visit to Bush’s lawyer is that he is representing someone else also- Would be odd if he is representing someone else in the same case because of potential conflict of interest- but Fitzy is working more than one case.
Arranging for an interview with Bush is more interesting- and I suppose possible.
Judith Miller would be proud of Isikoff’s reporting. really. 90% of the article is nothing but speculation and the other 10% is administration ass-kissing.
justwondering | 10.30.05 – 5:27 pm — in response on the showing of the indictment to Sharp. The indictment is not formally submitted to the Court, and thereby public information, until such time as the jury has officially voted, the foreperson of the jury and the prosecutor have signed off on it, and the judge has accepted it. That didn’t happen until after noon, so Fitz couldn’t have disclosed that to Sharp in the morning the day before — just would not have happened. As to giving someone a heads up on what was or was not going to happen in the G/J voting, it just isn’t done. You may take a call from an attorney after the fact and let them know that, indeed an indictment has been voted and is being filed as you speak, but you don’t give a heads up beforehand because it is not your vote as a prosecutor that counts — it is the jury’s, and any attempt to circumvent that process is legally inappropriate. And, in my opinion, would seem awfully out of character for what I know of Fitz.
In my mind, it was a scheduling conference or some request for further document discovery or something else. Not some heads up on how things are going with Rove — that discussion, if it happened at all, would be with Rove’s lawyer because it would be privileged information for Luskin alone. It would be Rove’s prerogative to share it with Sharp and/or Bush, not Fitzgerald’s. I think Isikoff got played with this one.
Me, weren’t some of the indictments sealed for a while? That’s something I picked up somewhere. Not sure of the quality of the source.
Tweety Is going after Cheney.
He and Dickerson are saying that Cheney
had a real thing for Wilson, an obsession to bring him down.
My dear Jane, I have a pretty good vocabbulary, but ya floored me with this one!
Brobdingnagian ?
Brobdingnagian, adjective gigantic. noun a giant. ORIGIN early 18th cent.: from Brobdingnag, the name given by Swift (in Gulliver’s Travels) to a land where everything is of huge size, + -ian .
I will repeat some of the Ryan stuff… I was there, I saw it go down.
It started with a truck driver who slammed into the back of a mini-van, a family of eight in the mini-van were either killed or permanently maimed in the accident.
They charged the driver. The local prosecutor subpoenaed the license bureau for his drivers exam records and his driving record. The license office could produce no paper on the guy.
They questioned the driver… He had just been hired by a local trucking company… He applied for the job, he was given $600 cash by his new boss, driven to the license bureau, was sent inside. He gave the Sec. of State employee the $600, no test was adminstered, not even an eye exam, he was issued a commerical drivers license.
The local prosecutor could not believe the story… So he gave one of his office employees $600, sent him to the license bureau, and he walked out with a commerical license too.
So he called his buddy Fitz, and asked him what to do. Fitz said he would take care of it.
They flipped a Sec. of State license employee… Who followed petty cash leaving the license office, and it was determined the cash was going to Sec. of State Ryan’s campaign for Governor. During the process it was also discovered that Sec of State employees were told they had to make campaign donations or they would lose their jobs.
Fitz started flipping them at the very, very bottom.. The point of sale, and he worked the case all the way up to the very very top.
Now… It took some time, and the big RICO indictments did not come down until late in the investigation… But every single indictment Fitz produced in that case stuck like glue. He literally took down the entire state capitol.
Now when things started warming up in the case… All the local wags were telling me “Ryan won’t get caught, he will walk on this. He is: too well connected, owns law enforcement, too much money, too much power… After he was elected Governor… I was told he would pardon his friends… I was never once told Fitz would bring down the state capitol in a series of convictions that would get Ryan himself… That was the only thing I was not told.
Guess who I believe?
I think that the DOJ was handed a goldmine in regard to insider information regarding the current administration by people in the FBI and CIA. I think Fitz has the whole story and is now applying pressure to witnesses.
I also believe prosecutors in other states also received inside information that help their cases against key GOP members-effectively limiting Frist and Delay and their power to stifle the investigation re:Plame.
If the GOP senators are solely worried about being associated with Bush for sake of their reelection campaigns and this is the reason for their silence-I find it odd.
All the GOP had to do in the past was get on the news and wave a ” democrats are weak on homeland security flag” and they rebounded in the polls.
Republicans on the Hill are worried about being investigated or indicted. There will be no concentrated media attack by them of any importance for the remainder of the presidency.
I do not believe this is a partisan attack. I think the DOJ/FBI/CIA are sending a strong signal to politicians, “don’t abuse the halls of power to further your political aims.”
Where are the calls from the KS GOP senator demanding oversight for Fitz now?
Where are Gonzales and Ashcroft?
Sheesh, all these characters are like old Georgie Porgie, and it looks like the boys have come out to play.
It looks like Swopa tied together the last thread by showing how WaPo fingered Ari. We can all go home now.
Dan Robinson: here is the link. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..711-7.html
This gaggle took place on Air Force One on July 11, 2003, during Bush’s trip to Africa – the same trip during which Ari Fleischer was seen reading the State Dept. memo that was faxed to Power. This is also the same day that Tenet issued a statement taking responsibility for the 16 words in the SOTUA. And it is the day before Cheney instructed Libby how to respond to reporters’ questions about Wilson and Plame, and Libby spoke to Cooper and Miller about Plame.
Oops! Sorry, Me. I can’t keep up with all the comments, but keep harping on the Ryan case. All is eerily familiar!
oh sweet jesus, did I just say mike allen was decent? beating self with coat-hanger right now.
Hunter at DKos:
Having Ann Coulter on your network debating the “meaning” of the Fitzgerald investigation isn’t relevant. It isn’t useful. It’s like watching a dog crap to music
What a line!!
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ugh, horrible panel. john dickerson (empty suit), that big-headed freak andrea mitchell, kate o’beirne. . .mike allen is decent I suppose
Patriot,
Who is with the canary tonight?
Zennurse, regarding the jumpy links: the same thing was happening last night to me, but it seems to be fine today. I think it helps to sort of sneak up on the link when it’s not looking, and quickly click on it.
You might try maximizing the Haloscan window and seeing if that calms it down.
Either way, I think Haloscan is in danger of a meltdown judging by the blog traffic that’s been happening this week. I think it’s safe to say that this volume of blogging is unprecedented.
special edition of hardball on right now.
I sense a little bit of betrayal-conspiracy-in-the-making-here.
The visit to Sharp’s office, though painted by Mr. Fitzgerald’s collegial adversaries as one “to tell him the president’s closest aide would not be charged” was likely merely at the invitation of Mr. Sharp to query where his client stood. That is a perfectly reasonable request from any client’s attorney, and the fact that it took place in Mr. Sharp’s offices, which are indubitably more spacious and sumptious than Mr. Fitzgerald’s, and better supplied with upscale coffee and high-dollar knishes, means nothing. That Fitzgerald indicated there were no pending indictments that little george need fret up close and personal was likely the gist of it.
As for “the Levine defense”: yes, it sounds rather laughable. But it does soften the “beyond a reasonable doubt” argument, particularly to a jury that might not be quite as obsessed with all this as some in this blog are. They might not know Karl Rove and his shitty history from that of Michael Jackson, for instance.
Fitzgerald, I think, is not looking for softness in his indictments. Please re-read his first for support of that theory.
And if he has a “target”, it is not a twerp like Karlie. It’s Uncle Dick, the party who has abused his elected position in the worst possible way.
And, to return to my largely ignored version of the baseball metaphor from earlier posts, Fitzgerald is a manager, not a twenty-something show-boater. He knows you win by advancing your batters to home, one at a time.
I want to re-visit Novaks comments that I read on Huff Post
He said he would love to tell his story, but the Prosecutor “still had something on the table,” and as long as that was on the table his lawyers have advised him not to talk?
Still a lot of Hope out there in Fitzy land. I’d say the jury is still out on whether he is the man of steel or another guy who gave it up when faced with incredible power.
Hope the Fitzy fans are right.
LOL… they don’t believe it when ME says it… he has talked in detail about the Ryan case.
For all you sceptics, I have a challenge: find a lawyer who is not a complete partisan hack (like Toensig) who says that Friday’s indictment is probably the end of the line. I have not seen one such excample yet.
Thanks, ccow! I’d been wondering if there was a way of directly comparing the way Fitzgerald ran the Ryan investigation with the way he’s running this one.
ccow: “I don’t think the story is over at all. It’s just heating up.”
Ya… Ya… I know this… Ya….
Nobody wants to _really_ believe… But it’s the truth. Fitz is gonna get em, it goes to the top… Fitz always gets em… He gets em all.
I will take true pleasure posting all the “I TOLD YOU SO”s here… I probably won’t shut up about it for a week or two…
Fitz loves big cases, he loves to bring down perps that think they are smart and above the law… He really digs this kinda case. He loves a challenge, and he is truly up to the task… Top of his game.
They don’t stand a chance… They were all burned and busted the day Fitz signed on… It may take them awhile to realize it… But hey, it’s a done deal as far as I can see.
Gottaknow, I believe Novak was a strong opponent of the war. That would be his motive.
what would be Novak’s motive — why would he be invested in burning the Administration?
http://discuss.washingtonpost……sikoff.htm
Click on this link and you can ask Mikey anything about this topic :)))
Looks like there may be much more to this indictment story if Fitzgerald follows as he did in the 2003 indictments of corruption in the Illinois governor’s case. He started out with indictments for two of the governor’s aides in April of 2003. (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/04/02/illinois.scandal/) He gave essentially the same answers to reporters questions that he did on Friday in this case. There was even mention in the official indictments and “Official A.” By December 2003 there were 66 indictments handed down along with that of the man at the top. http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/17/ryan.ap/
I don’t think the story is over at all. It’s just heating up.
Speaking of unlikely theories…. I have wondered about the theory that Novak agreed to out Plame to burn the administration.
I believe Novak is smart enough to have thought of the leak in these terms, and certainly devious enough.
I consigned Isikoff to the lowest level of journalistic hell years ago, for the obvious reason. Lately I’d been raising him a bit – another five levels or so and he’d be clean up to Limbo. Now, thump, thump, thump, back down he goes.
Still, let me play devil’s advocate here. Suppose that, to maintain his access, Spikey is outwardly taking steno, while leaving all sorts of Da Vinci Code hidden messages for those paying attention?
For example, suppose that Fitz’s visit to Sharp was a “courtesy” call to inform him that an Assistant to the President, i.e., Libby, WAS being charged. Sharp could then read from the non-mention of Rove that he was not being charged – at least, not on Friday.
More substantively, the “Adam Levine defense” is so risable that it’s all but a flashing-light signal.
It’s reasonable to guess that Luskin DID bring something to Fitz that caused him to hold off – at least for the moment – from using Sister Mary Margaret’s steel ruler on Rove. Since Luskin only offered it at the last moment, it had to be one of two things:
a) An offer to flip.
b) Information that is genuinely exculpatory, but so embarrassing that Rove would only admit it when indictment was imminent. A Mexican-whorehouse alibi; in this context probably something very damaging to Libby, Cheney, or even Bush.
Nothing less than one of these would explain both why Fitz held off and why Luskin waited till 11:59. And in fact we can all but rule out a Mexican-whorehouse alibi. since even Luskin evidently acknowledged that Rove is not totally off the hook.
So, read closely, Isikoff is pretty clearly hinting that Rove offered to flip.
OT
Haloscan question: trouble with links, when I hit them with my cursor they get all twitchy and jump around. Can anyone help me?
Thanks.
Followed your suggestion and told Newsweek that the press had a “lot to answer for” in terms of their reporting on this, national security, obvious GOP talking points and lawyer spin, tabloid journalism, disinformation on this issue a threat to mom ,Apple Pie and the American Way. Thought a nice retraction would be the way to go to save the country, online and in print.
Idiot.
I read that earlier and couldn’t believe it. I’d sure like to see Rove’s photo album.
Well done Jane. About the only proper treatment of this Isikoff trash.
Too bad there’s no licensing authority for journalists…it may have saved us from the Josef Goebbels bouilliabase that we’ve been dining on through the Clinton years and into the Chimp dynasty.
I was wondering when and how they were going to start the serious attack on Fitzgerald? this is the same tactic they used on Wilson! You know though, there will always be a certain percentage of morons who will buy into it. I guess you can’t fix stupid.
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Please complete the “No More Pardons” letter to be presented by the Hon. John Conyers if you have not already done so. Pass the link along ;)
Thank You :))
CBS 60 Minutes, report on Plame, from tonight:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..4753.shtml
Reddhed, I deal only in civil litigation, which sometimes involves ethical violations by lawyers. You’re the criminal lawyer and former prosecutor, so I entirely defer to you on this subject. However, I’m curious to know what rule would preclude a prosecutor from showing an already issued indictment to anyone. It’s a matter of public record. Also, how much could Fitzpatrick discuss grand jury proceedings and/or evidence with people under investigation (possibly including Bush)?
I hate to admit I never read it:{
we are all yahoos around here…
Why don’t we ask Mikey about this during his live chat this Tuesday at noon ET. It’s even possible to submit questions now for those so inclined.
Remember when Isikoff reported that they had flushed a Koran down the toilet at Gitmo and the Bushies jumped all over him and he apologized?
Well now he’s right back to kissing their asses! He’s like an abused dog– the more his master beats him the harder he tries to please his master!
What an ass kisser.
Seems to me that this kind of Backdoor attempt to Smear Fitzgerald has Rove’s MO ALL over it!
Jane, my vocabulary is Lilliputian next to yours.
At the back of Fitzgerald’s mind has to be the realization that Libby has been designated the firestop by the administration. Are we really to believe that it has not already been agreed that Bush will pardon Libby?
It is essential that the press put these questions to Bush immediately and repeatedly, if necessary, so that his answers can be made part the narrative record :
1. If convicted of one or more of the counts charged, will you pardon Libby?
2. If by the end of your term, Libby’s guilt or innocence is not finally resolved by the criminal justice system will you issue a pardon?
The minimize and stonewall groundwork that has been laid out the last few days are the strategy of eventual pardon. I cannot help but think that all we’ll end up with is a handful of hair.
Brobdingnagian — from Gulliver’s Travels.
My dear Jane, I have a pretty good vocabbulary, but ya floored me with this one!
Brobdingnagian ?
Thanks for the link to Newsweek so I could send them my two cents worth. This stenography is unacceptable and has got to stop.
Thanks Jane for reviewing this article.
Here’s my letter:
Is it true that Patrick Fitzgerald called on George Bush’s criminal attorney to alert him that Rove would not be indicted last Friday? Is that ethical? Why are you not calling for his resignation if that is the case? Or could it be that Michael Isikoff is acting stenographer for the Bush administration now that Judy Miller is no longer available?
I suggest you have someone who understands the term “investigate” look into this matter and do some real reporting.
Interesting. But as offensive as this may seem I found it no where nearly as offensive as the Meet the Press show this morning. Where Mr. Safire trumpeted the virtues of Judy Miller and went on to state his belief that Fitz’s investigation fell short since it has not produced any indictment related to the actual Plame outing.
It became even more infuriating when all the other Brooks basically agreed with him.
Everyone seems to be conveniently forgetting things these day. Or more specifically, how is it that these talking heads cannot discuss the real issue: If Libby had not allegedly lied, would that at least on some logical thread bring about his own admission and guilt in this whole Plame outing?
I mean really, are there ANY reporters who are not spouting white washed party lines and lies, and semi truths.
In my humle opinion Fitzgerald’s discussion on friday was a glimpse of light, the likes of which I have not seen on Main Stream TV for , gosh I think maybe ever. I mean he seems to have shed some light on the age old question – If a politician lies and noone can disprove it, is it really a lie?
Not to wax academic but I feel that truth these days has become this sort of relativistic thing that can just be molded into any shape that MSM rhetoric would like to adopt. It seems a break down into this Richard Rorty kind of mushyness. Fitzgerald is a reminder that truth just may indeed exist and cannot just be talked away. And for that I am a real student of Bernard Williams these days.
To whom it may concern:
I read with interest Michael Isikoff’s most recent Newsweek article, “Karl Rove: Last Minute Evidence.” (Web: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9865842/site/newsweek/) In that article, Isikoff reported the following:
Fitzgerald made another visit early Friday morning —shortly before the grand jury voted to indict Dick Cheney’s top aide, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby —to the office of James Sharp, President George W. Bush’s own lawyer in the case, to tell him the president’s closest aide would not be charged.
During Patrick FitzgeraldÂ’s press conference last Friday afternoon, he repeatedly stressed the confidentiality legally mandated regarding the grand jury process. In fact he refused to answer most questions posed by the press citing that requirement of secrecy. If IsikoffÂ’s reporting is to be believed, FitzgeraldÂ’s statements regarding his insistence on following the rules regarding grand juies were lies. If Fitzgerald DID tell President BushÂ’s lawyer that Karl Rove would not be indicted, that would seem to be in violation of grand jury secrecy requirements.
It would seem to me that if Isikoff’s information is true, Newsweek has an explosive story to investigate – that Patrick Fitzgerald is in fact in violation of the laws insisting on grand jury testimony. In fact, Fitzgerald should be charged, tried and sent to jail for this according to his own statements on this subject last Friday.
Will Newsweek be breaking this story? Given the prominence of Patrick Fitzgerald and the intense importance of his job, I would hope that Newsweek would aggressively report such lawlessness.
If not, Newsweek and Michael Isikoff owe your readers and Mr. Fitzgerald a prompt apology and retraction of those claims. Failing to report on a story this significant – that the special counsel himself has committed a crime – implies that Newsweek does not believe it’s own reporter’s scoops but publishes them anyway.
justwondering wondered if Fitz had agreed to show the indictments to W’s lawyer before filing/announcing. I think this would be misconduct – Redd?
I would think that *any* disclosure to W’s personal attorney would be misconduct.
Just want to make sure we clarify this point since the Fitz visit to Sharp tale is clearly a pointer to more activity from Fitz.
When it comes to hackdom Spikey is second only to Woodward.
Q Dr. Rice, when did you all find out that the documents were forged?
DR. RICE: Sometime in March, I believe. Is that right?
MR. FLEISCHER: The IAEA reported it.
Source?
I would like to see Rice taken down. I watched her dissembling in the 9/11 hearings and her arrogance was galling. I would love to see her caught in a perjury charge, contempt of Congress, etc.
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I have to believe that Novak cooperated only because he believed he was in legal jeopardy himself. Reportedly, he was specifically told by the CIA not to be publish the information, but did it anyway! Note that Novak is saying he can’t say anything because there’s something “still on the table” between him and the Special Prosecutor. HMMM.
the 60 minutes piece on plame was excellent because it got out to the public in everyday terms just how outrageous it was to out a cia spy. and of course thoiugh no one is interested in prosecuting the guy, novak is complicit and shameful
Remember Katrina. “Dodging a bullet” is a euphemistic for getting the fuck smashed out of you by a hurricane.
On 60 minutes Bradley and a NJ senator/congressman holt on the security committee both said that no damage assesment has yet been done on the outing by the CIA – they are waiting on the finish of the investigation. Interesting given that some righties have claimed that we know there were no deaths, etc.
Very hard hitting piece on behalf of Plame – and Wilson looked very good in it – serious, reasonable, etc.
a: That July 11, 2003 press goggle with rice and Fleischer during the trip to Africa has always bothered me. Apparently, it was unusual for the gaggle to be on the record.
Q Can I just interject one more time? Is there a reason why we wouldn’t do this on camera if Dr. Rice is on the record?
MR. FLEISCHER: Because this is our standard way of doing gaggles, especially in the back of the plane.
Q But it’s usually on background.
Rice claimed during this gaggle that the Administration had not learned until March that the Niger documents were forged (which was a complete lie).
Q Dr. Rice, when did you all find out that the documents were forged?
DR. RICE: Sometime in March, I believe. Is that right?
MR. FLEISCHER: The IAEA reported it.
Hey Jane,
Was that “go light on four letter words” or “make light of four letter words”. I don’t see why you should, since TurdBlossom, good Christian that he is, sees no reason to do so. I don’t try to hold my self to a Christian standard; given the antics of recent Christian standard bearers, I’ll try for something higher.
I think you are spot on with your comments about Isikoff. He has graduated from water carrier to water buffalo. The only thing that could be further up TurdBlossom’s ass than Isikoff’s tongue is a parasite. (I’ll let someone else connect the dots on that one.)
What escapes me is how the truth always comes out and these people, who seem intelligent and earnest, are caught like a deer in the headlights by the sweep of facts. Judy Kneepads was making headlines and collecting trophies for a while, but there she is, just another mouthpiece for Bush. Is Isikoff sucking up to Rove so that he can get the goods for a tell-all book when the smoke clears?
Oh well, it is better to be sarcastic than cynical; the latter is borne of dispair, the former is borne of hope.
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The WHIG party reminds me of the Dead End Kids or The Bowery Boys. Some may not remember them or recall the names of the movies they starred in……Angels with Dirty Faces or They Made Me A Criminal.
Jane, first of all, you process all this information with amazing speed and perception. Thanks for all your very fascinating posts.
I sure hope you’re right about the reason for the meeting with the Bush lawyer. But I can also imagine Fitzgerald having agreed with Bush’s lawyer that he would show him any indictments before they were published. From my experience, it’s the kind of thing a very careful, ethical and courteous lawyer like Fitzgerald would do. Also, if somebody’s going to be able to poke any holes in your case, you want to know, so you can act preemptively. And you can see how extraordinarily careful Fitzgerald has been with his allegations. They’re amazingly tight.
But let’s not interrupt Mikey, he’s on quite a roll:
Rove remains in some jeopardy, but the consensus view of lawyers close to the case is that he has probably dodged the bullet.
It truly is to laugh. What good is dodging a bullet if you get run over by a bus soon after?
I don’t think I’d break out the Moet just yet, Rover.
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Gee, a worthless media whore writes a worthless whoring whore article? I’m shocked.
Jane –
Thank you very much. That link is indeed handy, and I expect to make much more use of it ’til the day we can sing “Ding Dong the Hacks are Gone” all along the Yellowcake Road.
We may not be in Kansas any more, but we can make damn sure the curtain stays pulled back exposing that cheesy wizard’s machine.
Here’s another possible clue from para 21.
I didn’t know (until I just read the comments here) that Rove was in Australia during this period.
If Rove was speaking to Libby from Australia then the call could quite easily have occured on BOTH 10 and 11 July US time.
There is a vagueness about that statement that must be explained.
I see Drudge is reporting Fitzy is planning on calling Dark Evil as a witness and he has to appear in person, no taped testimony.
60 minutes on now – profile of Plame with comments from CIA agents about why outing her is a big deal …. looks juicy
Gee, I must be reading about two completely different cases. I just came over here from The Corner (why do I do these things to myself?) where the whole affair has been dismissed as just an utterly BAHWRING distraction, don’t y’know, and now we should all speculate about who the SCOTUS nominee will be, that’s right, nothing to see here, just keep moving….I’m not a lawyer or a pundit, but it sounds like there’s an awful lot like graveyard whistling going on over yonder.
Thanks Reddhead & Jane. Fitz is my hero so I’d hate to think he did anything unethical or illegal. (After all, there have to be some honest, dedicated, intelligent people left in government.)
Rove/Luskin must still be very worried about what’s going to happen next if they’re putting out spin like that. (Did they realize that they were saying Fitz broke the law?)
Oops. Wrong window. Sorry about that…
One thing I find interesting is that Fitz refers to most people at the White House by their title, but he does make one slip and refer to Fleischer by name:
FITZGERALD: It’s also alleged in the indictment that Mr. Libby discussed it with the White House press secretary on July 7th, 2003, over lunch. What’s important about that is that Mr. Libby, the indictment alleges, was telling Mr. Fleischer something on Monday that he claims to have learned on Thursday.
In addition to discussing it with the press secretary on July 7th, there was also a discussion on or about July 8th in which counsel for the vice president was asked a question by Mr. Libby as to what paperwork the Central Intelligence Agency would have if an employee had a spouse go on a trip.
When I was listening on the radio, that caught my attention, right away. All those titles Fitzhugh threw out…then this relatively casual reference to Ari. It was weird.
dab — the NYT reported that Fitzgerald was, in fact, seen at Sharp’s offices on Friday morning, so we think that part might actually be true. What they talked about remains a mystery, but I’m a whole lot closer to believing he wants Dubya under oath than he paid a courtesy call to deliver a message as Luskin’s fucking errand boy.
Dab — I can answer that one. For scheduling matters, requests for further document production, discussion of a potential need for further testimony, etc., Fitz meeting with Sharp would be perfectly fine. But it is completely idiotic to think that Fitz met with Sharp (Bush’s counsel) to tell him what was going to happen to Rove (not Sharp’s client, but clearly Luskin’s). I think Isikoff needs to stop using Ben Ginsberg as his confirming source for anything Luskin tells him. Ahem.
Jane – would it be unethical for Fitz to meet with Sharp Friday morning for a matter specifically pertaining to Sharp’s client? (Like wanting him to testify under oath, let’s say)
The whole thing just seems odd. Obviously Izzy would have no idea what the meeting was about, and I doubt Sharp or Fitz would say, but why would he say Fitz was physically somewhere when it would be so easy to check whether or not that was true?
The fact that Levine met Rove immediately after getting the email further undercuts the usefulness of the email to Rove. They could have discussed Plame in person, and both are now lying about it.
I’d contribute something intelligent to the discussion, but I don’t think I can top geoff’s comment.
2 q’s:
1. although fitz is playing it very close to his vest; did he really say one way or the other as to whether he was through? (I think not) or that he wasn’t through? (i think not.) I do think he said that this gj was through (no biggie) but there’s always a gj when u need one.
Given that, there are all sorts of reasons he could have gone to see Sharp and unfortunately, unlike Rove or his mouthpieces, Fitz can’t rebut the spin; except with indictments.
2. Just when was it that Bush backed down from his firing anyone involved in the leak promise to anyone convicted; and how does this fit into the timeline of leak events?
The key is paragraph 21 of the indictment. Nowhere else is Novak mentioned.
“21. On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke to a senior official in the White House (”Official A” ) who advised LIBBY of a conversation Official A had earlier that week with columnist Robert Novak in which Wilson’s wife was discussed as a CIA employee involved in Wilson’s trip. LIBBY was advised by Official A that Novak would be writing a story about Wilson’s wife.”
How does Fitzgerald know this? Both Libby and Rove (Official A)* are keeping their mouths shut.
So it must be Novak.
Libby was Novak’s second source, but Novak won’t willingly name him (or Rove).
Fitzgerald must have evidence that Libby phoned Novak. Under pressure one of the things he gave up was that Libby told him that Rove mentioned he would be writing about Wilson’s wife. If he said something like “in the last day or two” that would pin the call down to “On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003”
Rove had spoken to Novak on 9 July, so this jived.
But Novak’s testimony on this amounts to HEARSAY. Not enough to go after the big boys.
Only Libby or Rove can testify to that conversation.
On Thursday/Friday of last week the negotiations between Fitz and Rove broke down. Rove said “Fuck you, Fitzgerald.”
Fitz issued a detailed “talking indictment” with voluminous facts. We can all sit down and draw relationships, contacts and timelines. He highlighted Rove by calling him “Official A”. “No. Fuck you, Rove!”
Fitzgerald has left Rove and Libby sweating under very different circumstances, while keeping Novak in his back pocket.
Both Rove and Libby report(ed) to Bush. The two that leaked to Novak. Fitz has patience: how will this White House continue to function?
That’s why it makes sense to play down the October leak. He can make a case against Novak under the IIPA and the Espionage Act because Novak is a serial leaker of sensitive defence related information. But that’s a nuclear option likely to give him trouble with the press.
* http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01724.html
(note it’s an Associated Press writer)
Jane and others are pointing at Ari Fleischer as Novak’s second source. Their argument is based on this from Time Magazine
“Another character in the drama remains unnamed: the original source for columnist Robert Novak, who wrote the first piece naming Plame. Fitzgerald, says a lawyer who’s involved in the case, “knows who it is—and it’s not someone at the White House.”"
Ari is no longer at the White House, ergo the source must be Ari.
But I believe that piece is disinformation.
Look who wrote it: By VIVECA NOVAK AND MIKE ALLEN
Mike Allen. Pincus’s partner in outing Brewster-Jennings
(I’ve no idea if Novak is related)
And the source? “a lawyer who’s involved in the case”
I prefer to use logic and reason.
Mrs. K8 — Take Back the Media has a good list of media nubmers here. I keep it bookmarked.
Newsweek’s info is:
Newsweek
251 W 57th Street, New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-445-4000
Fax: 212-445-5068
E-mail: letters@newsweek.com
Isikoff is the worst kind of hack; the kind who occasionally mixes honest-to-god journalism into his portfolio of articles, so that the public is even more easily hoodwinked. At least when you read something by a full-time hack you know what you’re going to get.
Anybody have a fax number to send Newsweek a complaint? It’s my belief that a piece of paper rolling off the fax machine has to be at least physically handled, while emails are more easily deleted.
That’s not to discourage anyone from emailing, especially if faxing is especially inconvenient. And there’s no rule that says you can’t do BOTH.
In the meantime, I wonder if Fitzgerald has a public email address. It might not be a bad idea to let him know he’s been accused of breaking the law. Maybe his office would have a word or two to say to Mr. Isikoff; a word that might cause a retraction to be printed, prominently.
I got it: Isikoff is indeed Liskin’s stenographer!
I think Isikoff’s bit about Fitz’s trip to bush’s personal attorney is just part of Rove’s smear campaign, trying to impune Fitz’s integrity.
I do wonder why Fitz went there on friday morning, if those reports are true. any ideas, Jane?
Jane:
Bravo!! You were both eloquent and on target. How could Isikoff possibly know what Fitz said to Bush’s attorney? Given how careful Fitz has been, he certainly was not the source of this. If Bush’s attorney tried to spin this, then I think the attorney thinks that the preznit is in deep trouble.
The July 11 link is messed up. Should be: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..711-7.html
Reposting from the thread below.
At my 3:16 post I point to the odd way that the July 11 press briefing on AF1 begins. This is where Condi addresses the Tenet statement, and there seems to be some confusion about whether it’s on background or on the record.
Now look at the July 12 press briefing. This is Ari’s statement from Nigeria, and, as Jane notes, it was subpoenaed and then removed from the WH website before being restored.
MR. FLEISCHER: Dr. Rice was always scheduled to brief yesterday, just as Secretary Powell was scheduled to brief at the filing center the night before. So we actually, literally the day before the trip or the week before the trip — sit down. She was scheduled to brief on the flight to Nigeria. It was moved up to the morning flight. It was easier to do it that way, frankly, and to disseminate whatever she said.
Huh? Whatever she said? You were there Ari. Wouldn’t you know?
Maybe, for example, she said something on background — and then something on the record?
You’re absolutely right! He’s acting like the pResident’s personal megaphone.
We ALL need to write letters and demand an apology and ask if he is paid by the white house.
Sometimes getting access to the pResident isn’t worth the lies you have to tell to have th access.
I’ll borrow one of your 4 letter words to say, “F**K iT!!! Show some intergrity journalists! Dig deep..investigate…and hold the pResident’s feet to the fire.
three-ways with Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp
Jane–not only has your amazing work on Plamegate helped turn me into an even more-obsessive-than-usual blog and news junkie, but with that sole image you’ve also rendered me impotent.
Thanks.
I still don’t understand how the left gives any weight to anything in the MSM. Just look at the difference between the ways of covering Clinton and Dubya.
It’s funny the way they will lock your thread at DU if you link some fringe reporter but will not if you link PROVEN LYING SHILLS FOR DEATH AND WAR like New York Times, Newsweek, WP…on and on!
Partisan Democrats are out of touch.
Great Analysis!
I usually feel kind of dumb reading Isikoff and his ilk – usually because I don’t get the connection between what he says and his conclusions. Now I know why – it doesn’t make sense. Your breakdown is a service to all of us. o
Thanks
Matthew Cooper & Libby vs. Karl Rove & Chimpy
The cannibalizing begins?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..6280.shtml
(CBS) A federal indictment alleges that Vice President Cheney’s now-former chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby committed perjury during, among other things, a conversation he had with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper.
Cooper says he’s not so sure.
snip
“And I had heard the day before from the president’s political advisor, Karl Rove, that Wilson’s wife might have played a role in dispatching him to Africa, and that she worked at the CIA.”
snip
“Yeah,” responded Cooper. “I suggested it. He confirmed it. But there was no suggestion, I guess as alleged in the indictment, that he went ahead and, you know, talked to me about how he heard it and such. So, I think you’ve got a situation where the prosecutor is accusing him of several cases of perjury and obstruction of justice, and you’re going to have witnesses or the people who work most closely with Libby in the White House and, potentially, reporters testifying in this case.”
Dear Jane, This blog, with its’ mix of wit , facts ,and savvy analysis is wonderful reading, and I enjoy it immensely, but I have to say the link to David E.’s graphic post was a bit traumatizing to this lol., as was wonkette’s link to Lewis Libby’s incredibly sleazy sounding novel. I think the legal, political, and security issues of the Plame scandal are fascinating enough without the sensationalism. That’s more in the line of those dirty minded Republicans.
been licking my wounds from a halloween party so just catching up with sunday posts, but wow, this one is a doozy! great work…
Outstanding post Ms. Hamsher. I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read his piece of shit article. From now on, I’m going to quit buying toilet paper and just subscribe to Newsweek.
From the Isikoff piece
One lawyer involved in the case who declined to be identified because of the matter’s confidentiality said Novak decided “early on” to cooperate with Fitzgerald’s probe and ID his source—whom Fitzgerald never charged, apparently because the mystery leaker told the truth to the grand jury.
Paragraph 21 of the indictment
21. On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke to a senior official in the White House (”Official A” ) who advised LIBBY of a conversation Official A had earlier that week with columnist Robert Novak in which Wilson’s wife was discussed as a CIA employee involved in Wilson’s trip. LIBBY was advised by Official A that Novak would be writing a story about Wilson’s wife.
Seems pretty damned clear to me that Official A is Novak’s original source. Seems pretty damned clear to me that Official A is the focus of Fitzgerald’s inquiry.
So what is Isikoff talking about?????
From what I’ve read on whether or not there are more indictments to come, i simply don’t know – and I don’t know if any of us should be pleased or disappointed that that is the case. the whole system is so evidently corrupt – from the WH to the Congress to the media – that there are even more fundamental questions than about the breaching of national security.
Fitzgerald is no partisan gunslinger, and appears relentless in upholding the rule of law, but remember this could be a career defining moment for any prosecutor. you want to prosecute anyone you can for this – and the bigger fry you catch, the more your reputation is enhanced. this is where Watergate was different – since the Congressional Hearings were relatively more important. for Plamegate, it’s all or nothing with the prosecutor i think. so on the other hand, if Fitzgerald were to make a mistake – his tag as a star prosecutor is gone. all those indictments of Ryan, Bin Laden, Lord Black, etc. are lost to history in the shadow of a failed indictment of Cheney. for this reason i think people on both sides of the fact vs. fiction divide have some cause for optimism. if Fitzgerald could get Cheney i have no doubt he would set up the indictment in a moment. which career lawyer with faith to the rule of law wouldn’t take the opportunity to make an example of the VP for breaching national security. but if there was a risk that it might all fall apart – i’m fairly sure that the talk of his conservative nature would prove right and we’d hear nothing more of it. that’s surely proven by his response to Karl throwing a lot of evidence to him at the last moment to see if he could catch him out.
on the MSM, that career motivation is so tied up in the “embedded” nature of reporting that the problem seems to me to be systemic. more on that in other posts…. i wish they’d just walk out of a WH press briefing in protest at being fed all this junk.
Late to the party, but must say I
agree that Isikoff’s piece sounds wrong:
(a) If Rove won’t be charged, why not Fitz say so?
(b) Bush didn’t look like he had anything to celebrate on Friday afternoon.
Fitzgerald breezed into Washington with the Marquis of Queensberry Rules memorized and tucked in his brief case as if they actually play by any rules at this major league level of politics. This, dear lady, is not f*cking Chicago.
You obviously don’t know much about Chicago.
I find it interesting that Rove’s lawyer has already begun Rove’s defense. This “can’t remember” defense is sounding quite similar to Libby’s. I think this give us some pretty good insight into what Rove is telling Fitzgerald.
zennurse
Every quality blog needs a convincing schoolmarm scold, keep up the great job.
New thread- Come on up!
just to expand on the washington post story:
Two legal sources intimately familiar with Fitzgerald’s tactics in this inquiry said they believe Rove remains in significant danger. They described Fitzgerald as being relentlessly thorough but also conservative throughout this prosecution — and his willingness to consider Rove’s eleventh-hour pleading of a memory lapse is merely a sign of Fitzgerald’s caution.
The two legal sources point to what they consider Fitzgerald’s careful decision not to charge Libby with the leak of a covert agent’s identity, given that the prosecutor had amassed considerable evidence that Libby gave classified information, which he knew from his job should not be made public, to reporters. Another prosecutor might have stretched to make a leak charge, on the theory that a jury would believe, based on other actions, that Libby acted with bad intentions.
Go, Bob.
Team Traitorgate think they’re of the genius variety as evidenced by Cheney’s comment that going to war with Iraq would prove to be ingenius…or something like that. It was so dumb I already forgot it.
I Claudius, you think Fitz isn’t prepared for the knife aimed at his back? He’s a prosecutor, for goodness sake. He’s knows better than most what is coming his way.
I Claudius, I guess when you spent time in DC 20 years ago, a little kool aid got splashed on you. You’re pissed at the GJ, so you threaten Jane??
You sound like Cheney, a menacing blowhard.
Very nice disemboweling of Mikey. What a tool.
Claudius, this is merely the opening round. Since you were in DC in the early ’70’s, you must remember that not everybody in Watergate was indicted in one day. Same thing here.
Have faith, be patient. The longer we give ‘em, the more rope they’ll have to hang themselves. These guys may be mean, but I’m betting they’re not too smart.
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I applaud the effort to avoid the casual use of obscenity and profanity: the casual use robs the terms of their power when it’s needed. I’ve also found, as a reader, that non-stop obscenity and profanity is simply tiresome and, ultimately, boring. Many thanks for your effort.
“My money’s on Fitz….”
I second that rkrider. Fitz is armed and dangerous.
In the Watergate saga, the first indictments didn’t touch the White House, really. Just some CREEP creeps.
How soon we forget…
Announcing a supreme pick tomorrow is, I suppose, a reasonable strategy for regaining control of the story line- which doesn’t mean that it will work. We’ll see tomorrow.
The media will, of course, be required to give a lot of ink to the new nominee.
Semblance…thanks for the link to the WP piece…Lott still has a grudge against the WH for forcing him outta senate leadership…haha.
I Claudius
My money’s on Fitz….
Supreme Pick Tomorrow.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00910.html
A nice little distraction.
Fitz has a major hardon for putting perps behind bars for _hard_ time. He would fight anybody in this case going to a country club institution. If they lied to him, he makes sure they get _bad_ food… Balogna the same color as the jail paint.
I am serious, perps were screaming about the treatment they got in the Ryan case…
But if they came clean to Fitz, gave it up… He did not hurt them.
Well Jane, I have also been holding back my anger and frustration, but it is directed at the utterly anti-climatic ‘Fitzmas”
I’m so pissed at the GJ I could spit blood, but probably for an entirely different reason than you and other folks on this blog.
Fitz used a baseball analogy, so will I.
Fitz not only did not hit a grand slam after 22 months of work,
he did not hit a home run,
he did not hit a triple
he did not even hit a double,
he hit a single.
And even that was because the first baseman, Libby, commited an error.
How’s that for a baseball analogy?
It was a pitiful non-conclusion conclusion after the build up here and elsewhere across the blogsphere.
How about another angle to view this underwhelming GD GJ investigation?
Fitz took a shot at the King and his two most powerful Princes, and he did not take them out.
He ‘hit’ one of the Dark Prince’s underlings, Squire Libby.
Machiavelli said never wound the Prince.
Well Fitz has managed to wound Two Princes and a King, great work.
The Caligula from Crawford might be a fool as a King, but as front man for the Bush Inc. crime family, he ultimately has the full force of his father and his formidable henchmen to back him up.
You remember Iran-Contra, don’t you Jane? You know the one where the bad guys all got eleventh hour ‘Christmas Eve” pardons and skated, only to resurface 10 years later in Starring Roles in the All New Production of “Traitorgate”???
Oh yeh, That one.
They are now very dangerous and all three of them are each in turn going to take a shot back at St Fitz.
Being a girl Jane you probably were not in too many fist fights, but from personal experience it goes like this:
You take a really hard swing at someone and land a glancing blow. You had better be prepared to have the other guy return the favor, without bitching and complaining when they do it back to you and land a truly hard gut punch.
Fitz likes to dish it out, inquiring minds would like to see how he takes it. Like a man or a mouse?
I, unlike you, am totally Not amazed at all by a Pressitute like Isikoff taking such a low blow at Fitzgerald.
Yes Jane, there is No Santa Claus (shock and awe)
Isikoff, channeling Rove, just kicked Fitz in the groin.
Micky basically just framed St Patrick as a sneaky back door political sellout and Fitz cannot speak to defend himself without compromising the integrity of his own invesitigation. How Rovian.
Why the f*ck did Fitz ever show up at Bush’s lawyers office in the first place? Was he just too cute by half, trying to send a pressuring message to Bush or did he get set up by being invited over just so Micky could sucker punch the crap out of him?
Merely the opening swing from just One of the wounded Princes, Jane. Two more to hear from.
Three on one. As someone who has had first hand experience fighting uneven odds in the “reality based community”, my male fighting intuition tells me that at least one of the wounded ‘noblemen’ is gonna land a very hard blow on Fitz and his reputation before this is over. He still might prevail, but it could very well be a Pyrrhic Victory.
I have thought all along that Rove’s ego would covet Fitz’s head on a stick as his greatest victory.
Like the ancient Scythian warriors who celebrated their sucesses by drinking wine from the skulls of the losers, Rove and Cheney and Bush are down but not out.
Fitzgerald breezed into Washington with the Marquis of Queensberry Rules memorized and tucked in his brief case as if they actually play by any rules at this major league level of politics. This, dear lady, is not f*cking Chicago.
What astonishing naivete.
It was the equivalent of challenging Caligula to a pillow fight at noon in the Coliseum.
Mark my words, this is going to play out as a knife fight in a dark alley.
I worked for three years in the early seventies on Capitol Hill and saw where a lot of the bodies are buried and have Never forgotten the experience.
There are no rules at this level Jane, they make them up as they go along.
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Good points Me…
You can’t just keep fucking your country without consequences…….even though it seems like it most of the time, we aren’t the only ones who care about our country and see this administration for what it is. I’m sure there are a lot of career people in important places who think the same way. Remember all the Republicans who came out to endorse Kerry before the election.
Woodward was a hack when he was covering Watergate. Every future journalist didn’t learn the important lesson Carl Bernstein gave of gritty shoe leather investigation and tough questions. Instead, they latched onto the glamour shot of the inside source with the sexy pseudonym.
We’re all paying for that legacy of lazy reporting today.
Two legal sources intimately familiar with Fitzgerald’s tactics in this inquiry said they believe Rove remains in significant danger.
Me, have you been chatting up reporters? ;-)
Another great post – thanks.
And btw, I like it when you swear. It’s not only OK it is called for with these motherfuckers.
Re: plea bargains
Anonymous, Libby isn’t the only one bargaining, Fitz holds the cards and the GJ. He won’t be a pushover for the likes of Libby or anyone else.
Me – Johnson suggests that Libby has been a major source for Woodward for a long, long time.
I guess he’s upset that Fitz has turned off the spigot.
Is it possible Fitzgerald went to visit Sharp because he’s squeezing Bush to give up Cheney? Maybe Rove’s last-minute info was something on Bush that Fitz could use to get to Cheney.
Everything I’ve ever read about lawyers indicates that the good ones are good at psych warfare. If Fitz is as good as some here are saying, he had a reason for taking that meeting. Beyond that, I don’t think that a good prosecutor would tip his hand about damaging info in a private meeting, when he could address it before a GJ. On the record. In front of a buncha witnesses.
The issue of cover has been ignored. Everytime an agent is exposed, that agent’s entire life is explored by our enemies (and friends) to see how cover was established. That information is then used to unmask more of our people.
At the very least Dan, the CIA won’t be able to use (or continue to use) ambassador’s spouses in any cover situation again. This leak will have without a doubt endangered any other spouses who are NOC agents.
The WHIG apologists act so smug because the CIA hasn’t come right out and said “Oh yeah, the wives of the embassadors to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Indonesia are ALSO agents; that’s why we’re so pissed about these leaks!”
WaPo says
Two legal sources intimately familiar with Fitzgerald’s tactics in this inquiry said they believe Rove remains in significant danger.
“The CIA will probably never provide specifics about what damage was done, because you never talk about your own capabilities. There have already been internal studies, but I doubt that Bob Woodward has access to them. This damage assessment will be a very closely held secret.
But you can assume that it was bad.”
I think it was bad too. Woodward is wayward. I think it was bad enough that when Fitz showed the Judges what happened they told Fitz he could jail as many reporters as long as he needed to get to the bottom of the case… To me that means an agent was either picked up and imprisoned or killed in the line of duty.
Read that 60 minutes article linked to above. They can’t talk about the damages… So of course the goopers are going to downplay it.
Is it possible Fitzgerald went to visit Sharp because he’s squeezing Bush to give up Cheney? Maybe Rove’s last-minute info was something on Bush that Fitz could use to get to Cheney. I could see this happening if Fitz believed in good conscience that Cheney was the main guy, that Bush may have been complicit, but, in getting Cheney, he is going to the top of this particular conspiracy. Is any of this remotely possible?
Libby’s lawyers will attempt to plea bargain down to nothin much without offering additional assistance.
Last thing the White House wants is a trial- Fitz knows this- the threat of a public trial is his ace in the hole.
If he bargains down even one year- even one count- without getting the goods on Cheney- he is a traitor to his country.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9865068/site/newsweek/
Link to a great read- “The Price of Loyalt” which turns out to be incompetence. The press is turning against President Clusterfuck- great news!
Obviously this is the standard to which Newsweek, and most major media, hold themselves to. This has always been their standard.
I tend to think, as was posted above, that what we are seeing as far as legal investigations of major gooper players is not a coincidence. It looks like a coordinated attack against the power structure. People who have been abusing power, are being targeted by multiple law enforcement agencies.
And… I have been reading at HuffPo, and thought I would post some text and links:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/….._9827.html – Libby may plea bargin
“Libby’s lawyers face the prospect of calling veteran journalists’ credibility into question and permitting the prosecutors to call some of the most senior officials in the government, like the Vice President, to the stand. In an environment in which little to nothing has gone right for the White House, politics alone could compel a Vulcan like Libby to take one for the team.
… Fitzgerald has reason to at least investigate a conspiracy that might involve the Vice President. Rove too could be ensnared if Libby cuts a deal. So far, Fitzgerald has declined to detail in his indictment the conversation Libby and Rove had about the Novak story before it broke—and whether they discussed the legality of leaking Plame’s identity. A trial might provoke a deeper autopsy into how that may have worked—something the White House is surely not keen on.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/….._9794.html – War Criminals?
“Although the indictment dealt with Libby’s behavior before the grand jury and did not go to underlying core issues, it still represented the first criminal charges to arise from the administration’s push to sell the public on going to war against Iraq.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/….._9833.html
“GOP Sen. Brownback: “This Is A Serious Matter”… Sen. Graham: Bush Should “Absolutely” Launch Internal InvestigationÂ… Sen. Lott: Rove Has “Got To Step Up And Acknowledge” ProblemÂ… Sen. Dodd: “This Is Very Serious, And It’s Not Going To Go Away”…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/….._9835.html
This link ^^ has an interesting story that many appearances to the GJ prior to summer 2004 went unnoticed by the press because early witnesses were permitted to take the elevator from the underground parking garage directly to the 3rd floor GJ rooms.
Judge Hogan made witnesses enter thru the front door after last summer.
http://www.editorandpublisher……1001392406
Kristof: Cheney Must Explain CIA Leak Role–or Resign
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I would say there is some developing pressure out there. The White House is dreaming if they think they can just continue on and conduct “business as usual”
Hitting the reset button ain’t gonna cut it at this point.
Dan – it’s interesting we’ve posted two very different versions of reality back-to-back.
Sorry – should have included the link:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/30/22044/596
I was of the belief that Fitz visited Bush’s attny as a courtesy. This is an opinion I guess I’ve be wrong about on so many levels, but no one ever told me what those levels are.
This statement by Spikey seems to me to be a smear on Fitz. The only people who know what was said between Fitz and Bush’s attny are Fitz and the Attny….This seems to be a shot at Fitz by via Spikey for two reasons:
#1) smear Fitz so that he’s on the defensive about past or future actions, possibly in an attempt to get him fired, or
#2) is not just a smear but was purposely plated by Spikey in the hopes that if this blew up, Fitz would contact him and set the record straight.
The Rove excuse that supposidly gave Fitz pause is laughable.
Speaking of pathetic journalists, there is a great bit by Larry Johnson on TPM Cafe about Bob Woodward and his deeply disturbing performance on Larry King Live the other evening.
The piece includes this gem of a quote: “And, there’s a lot of innocent actions in all of this but what has happened this prosecutor, I mean I used to call Mike Isikoff when he worked at the “Washington Post” the junkyard dog. Well this is a junkyard dog prosecutor and he goes everywhere and asks every question and turns over rocks and rocks under rocks and so forth.”
He also blathered on to Larry that the CIA did an assessment of any damage done in the wake of Ms. Plame’s exposure and Woodward assured the listening audience that there was minimal damage done. This is interesting because, of course, the CIA has indicated that they have yet to do a damage report, and won’t until the investigation is over.
“People have said, ‘Oh, well, Valerie wasn’t serving in a sensitive position. So it’s not really that serious.Â’ Well, I would say that’s a very fallacious way of looking at this because a cover is for a clandestine officer can be different things at different times. We change cover. We modify cover based on how we need it,” says Mahle. “If you start to unravel one part of that, you can unravel the whole thing.”
The issue of cover has been ignored. Everytime an agent is exposed, that agent’s entire life is explored by our enemies (and friends) to see how cover was established. That information is then used to unmask more of our people.
The CIA will probably never provide specifics about what damage was done, because you never talk about your own capabilities. There have already been internal studies, but I doubt that Bob Woodward has access to them. This damage assessment will be a very closely held secret.
But you can assume that it was bad.
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Thanks for help with links, Bob Adams and Democarp, I have no idea what you’re talking about, being a people nurse, and not a computer nurse. I’ll just keep sneaking up. Just wanted to see if there was a problem.
Remember the SNL skit, Salem Witch Trial, where Jim Belushi as the prosecutor stands up, screams “Wiiiiittch!” while pointing at the defendant, then says “the prosecution rests…”
If I was the prosecutor in D.C. with a jury of predominantly black men and black women and Cheney on the stand, I’d point and scream, “utility bill, gas over $3 a gallon, Katrina, and Iraq.
He’d get the death penalty.
I can’t help thinking about Third Wave by Toffler this week; fossil fuel WASPs doing everything in their power to remain in control (I wish they’d release an edition with illustrations, Cheney fits the description perfectly) but in the end its futile, their extinction is at hand.
I think I heard someone say Enron trial begins in January?
The bad guys are getting softened up.
Daddy’s fair haired boy? I doubt it.
When Cheney goes Bush will make Jebbie VP………
Zennurse, regarding the jumpy links: looks like the stylesheet defines a link as 12px, gray, font-weight normal and a link hover as 11px, black, font-weight bold.
So, the text shrinks a little when you hover over it, causing the following text to shift; that’s the jumpiness. If the link and link hover styles were identical except for the color changing from gray to black, the jumpiness would disappear.
Hope this helps.
MarkH – Perhaps hubris explains what they did and how they did it? Perhaps knowing there were no checks and balances – certainly no oversight – so they would get away with anything they did?
Clearly they felt they were “the chosen” who would lead the US to its destiny: military predominance – unending supplies of oil – manifest destiny, etc., etc. Perhaps they were blinded by the “rightness” of their cause?
I don’t doubt for a minute that they (in particular Cheney) would try to crush anyone who got in their way. How many examples of this have we seen in the past five or six years (I’m including BushCos appalling behavior toward McCain when threatened with W’s loss in New Hampshire.)
rkrider- I agree with whoever posted a while ago, let the investigations and indictments speak for themselves. Let Conyers, Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy have their say. The right wing has an easy time shooting down their comments (even if it is usually the truth).
Biden, Lieberman will remain quiet, hell, they let this Administration get away with whatever in the past.
2006 should be a good year for democrats, from historical perspective. Hopefully good enough to get a full scale congressional investigation into Bush mess.
But first things first…
Biden, Lieberman; their credibility is shot in my book
While Bush is very childish and finds constructive criticism a form of disloyalty, Rove and Cheney are quite different. They don’t just get mad and throw a tidy fit, they get even in very effective and underhanded ways. I’ve personally wondered what goods they have on members of Congress. But that’s just me being the cynic. Right? Yeah, right.
Fitzgerald: “I’ll get you and your little dog Scooter too.”
Actually, I have doubts Cheney by himself directed Libby to do this. Cheney’s a very smart tough self-serving cookie and I can’t see him going out on any limbs, even for Dubya. Why would he take on the task to destroy Wilson (and his wife) without the okay of Bush (Rove)? It’s not impossible of course. I just wonder if it’s the complete Truth.
OT: What is it with this comment block centering all the text as I type it in?
I don’t know what excuse Fitzgerald may have given for visiting Sharp’s office, but I do think his purpose was the same as when he visited the office of Rove’s attorney. Being an ethical prosecutor (unlike ratfink Starr), he can’t put public pressure on Rove or Bush by talking about them or leaking their involvment in the case. He can increase the pressure just by his visits to their attorney’s offices, which have generated tremendous media focus and speculation. I thought it was a brilliant stroke.
Andrea is saying W needs Baker, et al brought in – Tweety says he won’t do it because it would be like training wheels.
Time for the Dems to throw the Pugs an anchor……maybe this week?
The “A-Team traveled to Africa (carefully avoiding the summit of the African Union, taking place that week) just to make phone calls. High above the clouds. The clouds that shade the aspens so they can grow. Wonder how many total hours were clocked in the air for the Entourage of 600?
Fun Fact: During a rehearsed Bush photo op at the African zoo, there were two unrehearsed confrontations: one included Elephants in the background gettin’ lucky; the other, includes donkeys, with the Limo at the rear, out of the lens area of the cameraman.
I swear to Fitz! You can’t make this stuff up…..
marky – that means Fitz is less likely to go easy on Libby after the indictment.
He’s screwed now.
Me, what’s this? :))))
It looks like Rove and his three chins smiling.
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Absolutely. Although it is difficult to watch Andrea M. without throwing something at the TV.
“By the way, Tweety is actually going after the admin on Hardball right now about using the press.”
It feels good to see them take the heat rather than deliver it yes? ;)
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Oh good.. finally some real dish:
http://www.time.com/time/magaz…..43,00.html
“a source close to the investigation told TIME that Fitzgerald and Libby’s attorney Joseph Tate discussed possible plea options before the indictment was issued last week. But the deal was scotched because the prosecutor insisted that Libby do some “serious” jail time.”
“Me, weren’t some of the indictments sealed for a while? That’s something I picked up somewhere. Not sure of the quality of the source.”
I don’t recall… It’s been awhile, I remember all the major plays… Some were quite creative, but Fitz has a pattern of going to a presiding judge beforehand and he was never once turned down by a judge in that case on anything.
July 11 -12, 2005: Sorry – I meant to say July 11-12, 2003.
I just posted this on the last thread…had been away from the computer and didn’t realize there was a new post:
Delurking for the first time. First, I am amazed at the brilliance of Jane, ReddHedd and the posters here. You guys have been a lifeline of hope that the truth will finally be out there. Whether the sheeple will ever accept it, I suppose, is another matter, but much progress has been made because of the true investigative journalists here and in the other blogs…I find FDL as addictive as salty cashews.
Second, and maybe someone else has already addressed this, but it has been bugging me…they used the same methods with the press and the Brits:
1. The WH fed lies to Judy and then went on the tube and referred to the stories in the NYT as if they were factual. “According to the New York Times (lie, lie, lie)”
2. They arranged to get the forged Niger documents into the hands of British intelligence, and then told the American people and the UN that British intelligence had in their possession documents that said Saddam was trying to get enriched uranium from Niger.
So cynical–though of course most people bought it–as if having planted the info, they could quote the people they deceived and have some sort of deniability by saying….”We didn’t say it was true, we said, ‘according to the Times’, or ‘Here’s what British intelligence tells us’….hey, not our fault if they were wrong.”
Because of Fitz, for the first time in years I have hope that we may get our country and our democracy back.
By the way, Tweety is actually going after the admin on Hardball right now about using the press. I’d really like to see the MSM not only go after the admin, but also admit their own complicity….a lot of people only watch the nightly news and they are still clueless as to this intricate web of deception and ineptitude.
Emma | 10.30.05 – 6:32 pm | #
“All the president has to do is press the reset button and begin again”
Mike Allen is a slobbering Idiot.
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Dab, as long as they believe Bush will stay in power, they will keep on licking, no matter how dirty it gets.
July 11 -12, 2005: A number of things happened over these two days. Here are just a couple.
Hadley and Rove were working with Tenet regarding his mea culpa for the 16 words in the State of the Union address.
On July 11, Rice holds a press gaggle in which the Niger documents are the prime topic; she claims the White House didn’t know that the Niger documents were a forgery until March 2003. She is the one who brings up Joe Wilson and tells the reporters they should ask the CIA “ask the Agency at what level it was known in the Agency.”
The same day, Tenet says in his mea culpa, “In an effort to inquire about certain reports involving Niger, CIA’s counter-proliferation experts, on their own initiative, asked an individual with ties to the region to make a visit to see what he could learn.”
The next day, Cheney instructs Libby how to respond to reporters questions. Later that day Libby calls Miller and Cooper and tells them Wilson’s wife is CIA. It was an orchestrated effort – they were all in on it.
Tenet and Rice publicly pointed in the direction of the CIA’s CPD department where Plame worked, and then the political operatives tried to out her on deep background.
on Tweety – Allen and OBeirne are trying to make the case that Friday was a good day for W – that he has a chance to restart his presidency, and that maybe he learned some lessons about now going off on his own to find a supreme … Tweety suggested Allen sounded like Tony Robbins.
They’re like the lead character in Memento — every day, their brains get wiped clean.
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Peanut | 10.30.05 – 6:35 pm | #
Wonderful analogy and so true.
You would think that what happened with Cooper, Miller, Russert, etc. would leave an impression. Yet they keep on acting as conduits for WH spin.
(Washington-AP, Oct. 30, 2005 6:05 PM) _ Conn. Senator Chris Dodd says its time for Vice President Dick Cheney to come clean about the extent of his involvement in the CIA leak case that led to the indictment of one of his top aides.
Gee, way to go out on a limb there, Chris.
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Thanks ReddHedd. I appreciate the information. I didn’t realize the indictment hadn’t been issued until noon. Say, for example, Bush was also under investigation, it looks like the federal rules might allow for leave from the Judge to discuss grand jury information with other witnesses/suspects. Is that ever done? It just strikes me as a difficult practical problem to get accurate information from people without ever disclosing what anyone else had said, or to make deals with anyone without making any disclosures that would show jeopardy. But, I have no expertise in that regard.
Drudge says that Fitz wants the evil overlord to testify. Showdown looming…….