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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13511</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Delurking for the first time.  First, I am amazed at the brilliance of Jane, ReddHedd and the posters here.  You guys have been a lifeline of hope that the truth will finally be out there.  Whether the sheeple will ever accept it, I suppose, is another matter, but much progress has been made because of the true investigative journalists here and in the other blogs…I find FDL as addictive as salty cashews.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Second, and maybe someone else has already addressed this, but it has been bugging me…they used the same methods with  the press and the Brits: &lt;br /&gt;1. The WH fed lies to Judy and then went on the tube and referred to the stories in the NYT as if they were factual. “According to the New York Times   (lie, lie, lie)”  &lt;br /&gt;2.  They arranged to get the forged Niger documents into the hands of British intelligence, and then told  the American people and the UN that British intelligence had in their possession documents that said Saddam was trying to get enriched uranium from Niger.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So cynical–though of course most people bought it–as if having planted the info, they could quote the people they deceived and have some sort of deniability by saying….”We didn’t say it was true, we said, ‘according to the Times’, or ‘Here’s what British intelligence tells us’….hey, not our fault if they were wrong.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because of Fitz, for the first time in years I have hope that we may get our country and our democracy back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way, Tweety is actually going after the admin on Hardball right now about using the press.  I’d really like to see the MSM not only go after the admin, but also admit their own complicity….a lot of people only watch the nightly news and they are still clueless as to this intricate web of deception and ineptitude.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delurking for the first time.  First, I am amazed at the brilliance of Jane, ReddHedd and the posters here.  You guys have been a lifeline of hope that the truth will finally be out there.  Whether the sheeple will ever accept it, I suppose, is another matter, but much progress has been made because of the true investigative journalists here and in the other blogs…I find FDL as addictive as salty cashews.</p>
<p>Second, and maybe someone else has already addressed this, but it has been bugging me…they used the same methods with  the press and the Brits: <br />1. The WH fed lies to Judy and then went on the tube and referred to the stories in the NYT as if they were factual. “According to the New York Times   (lie, lie, lie)”  <br />2.  They arranged to get the forged Niger documents into the hands of British intelligence, and then told  the American people and the UN that British intelligence had in their possession documents that said Saddam was trying to get enriched uranium from Niger.</p>
<p>So cynical–though of course most people bought it–as if having planted the info, they could quote the people they deceived and have some sort of deniability by saying….”We didn’t say it was true, we said, ‘according to the Times’, or ‘Here’s what British intelligence tells us’….hey, not our fault if they were wrong.”</p>
<p>Because of Fitz, for the first time in years I have hope that we may get our country and our democracy back.</p>
<p>By the way, Tweety is actually going after the admin on Hardball right now about using the press.  I’d really like to see the MSM not only go after the admin, but also admit their own complicity….a lot of people only watch the nightly news and they are still clueless as to this intricate web of deception and ineptitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13512</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;btw, if anyone else caught this I haven;t seen it in the press - fitzgerald pointed out that one of the charges of perjury was about a response Libby gave to a grand JUROR.  Uh oh.  Based on that, I am going to bet that there was nothing Fitzgerald put forward that the GJ did not return.  Therefore it was his own judgement  or the judge that he ould not prove malicious intent 100%.  I think to prove intent it has to be a conspiracy that they all took part in directed by someone…just my guess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, if anyone else caught this I haven;t seen it in the press &#8211; fitzgerald pointed out that one of the charges of perjury was about a response Libby gave to a grand JUROR.  Uh oh.  Based on that, I am going to bet that there was nothing Fitzgerald put forward that the GJ did not return.  Therefore it was his own judgement  or the judge that he ould not prove malicious intent 100%.  I think to prove intent it has to be a conspiracy that they all took part in directed by someone…just my guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13513</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You guys may all have said it - but I can;t read through all the haloscans from the last coupla days or I’ll get nothing done today…:-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In finally listening to the press conference in one go, it is obvious to me that further indictments are on hold until intent/motivation is provable.  Once he has intent, the three who leaked go down - unless one of them cracks and gives away who told them all to do it and why and makes a deal. There was no point to charging Rove while he has so much on Libby and can make him very uncomfortable for a while.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, as to why would Libby give it up when he knows he will be pardoned in a few yrs?  Because he is an out doorguy of 55 and a few yrs will be very very hard to do - let alone 30.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys may all have said it &#8211; but I can;t read through all the haloscans from the last coupla days or I’ll get nothing done today…:-)</p>
<p>In finally listening to the press conference in one go, it is obvious to me that further indictments are on hold until intent/motivation is provable.  Once he has intent, the three who leaked go down &#8211; unless one of them cracks and gives away who told them all to do it and why and makes a deal. There was no point to charging Rove while he has so much on Libby and can make him very uncomfortable for a while.</p>
<p>Now, as to why would Libby give it up when he knows he will be pardoned in a few yrs?  Because he is an out doorguy of 55 and a few yrs will be very very hard to do &#8211; let alone 30.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathi</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13514</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Papa wants to know why we should take our blood pressure medicine?  Is a slam on her or will we be mad at what they did to her?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Papa wants to know why we should take our blood pressure medicine?  Is a slam on her or will we be mad at what they did to her?</p>
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		<title>By: HeavyJ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13515</link>
		<dc:creator>HeavyJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My bet is that Martin is the source, and Gellman made it too clear by noting that she was the only other person on the flight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bet is that Martin is the source, and Gellman made it too clear by noting that she was the only other person on the flight.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll join Jane’s skepticism about the “not a partisan gunslinger” but on different grounds. EVERYTHING in the article in which that statement appears is misinformation. It is part of Fitz’ case for obstruction against Novak, if he pursued one. So why would we believe one isolated assertion in it, when we understand the rest to be a lie?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re: Ari. He almost certainly is cooperating. You wouldn’t have the detail that Libby told him about Plame’s identity unless he was cooperating. And–as you can note by Fitz’ mention of Ari in the press conferece, Ari is a VERY critical witness in the Libby obstruction charge. You don’t rely on someone who doesn’t have good reason to be reliable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll join Jane’s skepticism about the “not a partisan gunslinger” but on different grounds. EVERYTHING in the article in which that statement appears is misinformation. It is part of Fitz’ case for obstruction against Novak, if he pursued one. So why would we believe one isolated assertion in it, when we understand the rest to be a lie?</p>
<p>Re: Ari. He almost certainly is cooperating. You wouldn’t have the detail that Libby told him about Plame’s identity unless he was cooperating. And–as you can note by Fitz’ mention of Ari in the press conferece, Ari is a VERY critical witness in the Libby obstruction charge. You don’t rely on someone who doesn’t have good reason to be reliable.</p>
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		<title>By: mgm</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13517</link>
		<dc:creator>mgm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;HEALTH ALERT:  Take your blood pressure medication before viewing the Valerie Plame Wilson segment of “60 Minutes.”  (Just aired here on East coast.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEALTH ALERT:  Take your blood pressure medication before viewing the Valerie Plame Wilson segment of “60 Minutes.”  (Just aired here on East coast.)</p>
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		<title>By: Monk</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13518</link>
		<dc:creator>Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good catch LJ/Aquaria…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If he refers to Ari by name, then that would seem to leave ‘Official “A”‘ in the lurch.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve still got my money on Official “A” as being Rove.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Monk&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good catch LJ/Aquaria…</p>
<p>If he refers to Ari by name, then that would seem to leave ‘Official “A”‘ in the lurch.</p>
<p>I’ve still got my money on Official “A” as being Rove.</p>
<p>-Monk</p>
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		<title>By: LJ/Aquaria</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13519</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ/Aquaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One thing I find interesting is that Fitz refers to most people at the White House by their title, but he does make one slip and refer to Fleischer by name:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;FITZGERALD: It’s also alleged in the indictment that Mr. Libby discussed it with the White House press secretary on July 7th, 2003, over lunch. &lt;b&gt;What’s important about that is that Mr. Libby, the indictment alleges, was telling Mr. Fleischer something on Monday that he claims to have learned on Thursday.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition to discussing it with the press secretary on July 7th, there was also a discussion on or about July 8th in which counsel for the vice president was asked a question by Mr. Libby as to what paperwork the Central Intelligence Agency would have if an employee had a spouse go on a trip.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I was listening on the radio, that caught my attention, right away. All those titles Fitzhugh threw out…then this relatively casual reference to Ari. It was weird.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I find interesting is that Fitz refers to most people at the White House by their title, but he does make one slip and refer to Fleischer by name:</p>
<p><i>FITZGERALD: It’s also alleged in the indictment that Mr. Libby discussed it with the White House press secretary on July 7th, 2003, over lunch. <b>What’s important about that is that Mr. Libby, the indictment alleges, was telling Mr. Fleischer something on Monday that he claims to have learned on Thursday.</b></i></p>
<p>In addition to discussing it with the press secretary on July 7th, there was also a discussion on or about July 8th in which counsel for the vice president was asked a question by Mr. Libby as to what paperwork the Central Intelligence Agency would have if an employee had a spouse go on a trip.</p>
<p>When I was listening on the radio, that caught my attention, right away. All those titles Fitzhugh threw out…then this relatively casual reference to Ari. It was weird.</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2005/10/30/ari-fleischer-is-the-third-man/#comment-13520</link>
		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also from News24, Senior administration officials said that before Rice spoke with the press, she phoned Tenet in Washington but gave no details of the call.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also from News24, Senior administration officials said that before Rice spoke with the press, she phoned Tenet in Washington but gave no details of the call.</p>
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