"The spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald, Randall Samborn, refused to comment." I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read that line. Every time I open a paper, it seems. And I’m always thinking, I want this guy’s job — he could be phoning it in from the high Himalayas for all we know.
So when I called him up the other day I expected the same thing. Since I’m working on a post on Fitzgerald, I had to do the obligatory request for an interview, which I knew he’d turn down, which he did. "One more thing," I said. "I’d like to know if you could confirm the Viagra pen story."
There was a long silence on the other end of the phone. "Refresh my memory," he said.
I said I was told that Mr. Fitzgerald likes to wave a pen around in his press conferences, and that someone planted a Viagra pen in the green room prior to one of them. He picked it up and spent the entire press conference waving it around like — well, like a Viagra pen.
Silence.
"I will confirm that Pat has been seen on occasion holding a pen."
"Okay," I said. "I’ve also heard that you now regularly sweep the green room for pens."
More silence. Then finally: "I’m tempted to say something sarcastic…"
Come on, Randall, you can do it, come on…I know you’ve got it in you…all those pent up comments from all those years of "no comment"…
"…but I’m a non-speaking spokesman. I’ve got to stick to my reputation," he laughed.
Damn! "I will confirm that it’s been a while since I’ve seen him with a pen or any other sharp object."
Okay, Randall. Well, that’s more than anyone else has gotten out of you in two years. We may be hearing more soon. I spoke with someone last night (at 12:30 in the morning, no less) who indicated that even if there are no indictments coming down this week, we’ll probably see some sort of statement from Fitzgerald. The nation is all wound up for a Friday deadline, and the source speculated that the good will Fitzgerald had engendered would be compromised if nothing was forthcoming.
The source indicated we might see Fitzgerald on the courthouse lawn, giving a careful, general explanation of what is going on. "Prosecutors need legitimacy," said the source, who says that Fitzgerald might explain that since the testimony of the New York Times reporter was only recently forthcoming, and more information about what happened is coming down every day, his office needed time to follow it all up.
"I would hope that Fitzgerald would have just enough sensitivity to realize that he’s got to be really careful and shouldn’t piss people off," said the source, who indicated that a vacuum of silence would be likely to bring down a flurry of half-angry editorials that have heretofore been scant.
But let’s be clear — Fitzgerald has not been silent. His actions have spoken volumes. Showing up at Karl Rove’s attorney’s office was meant to publicly telegraph that Rove was still on the hook and keep the pressure up on him, and keep him from shifting all the public scrutiny onto Libby. Signing a new office lease was a big — well, Viagra pen to those who have been chirping in the media that he might just fold up his tent and go home. It was a clear indication that indictments will most certainly be coming down and he is digging in for the long haul.
I have a feeling Mr. Sanborn’s single-sentence job is about to get a lot more complex. And that we will speak again.
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MeIsTheMan — I’ll bet so too!!! Me is so in the no its creepy but in a good way. I just hope he stays safe– U & I know what these bastards do to truthtelllers. They stop at nothing & cursh us like BUGS under their feet. They have no fellings just power. Anyhoo I am glad you are a Me Fan too. We love you ME! Keep telling the truth and God will keep you safe. If you believe that stuff.
I’m so sorry but this reminds me of a SNL skit with Will Ferrell as Alex Trebek and the Category was
The pen is mightier
“Contestant” Sean Connery(Darryl Hammond) kept saying the
“penis mightier”!
It was a hoot!
Me, I can tell you’re an insider. Good work. Its obvious you are going to play a major role in taking down the President. That is great. Thank you for all you are doing on behalf of the contry. How badly are they trying to get away from your wrath? Have you had direct contact with the perps lawyers trying to wiggle out of it? Stay strong, ME, don’t let them off the hook. We need heroes like you taking these guys down. I know you can’t reveal your full involvement, but it seems safe to say you are part of the process and are closely involved with indicting these guys. I’ll bet you are one of the main investigators. In any event, thank you again ME.
MeIsTheMan
All I hear is Rove and Scooter. What about Chaney? Fitzmas wouldn’t be complete without Chaney roasting on an open fire.
Any word on who’s on the naughty list? We used to hear 22. So what’s the latest, me? Is Fitzy making his list and checking it twice?
Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden’s Death and Funeral 10 days ago
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa’da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. [Welfare State]
“Iran, Syria, and one other country… Not so sure about Jordan”
Don’t know about the Israel link, but if you look at a map, these countries along with Iraq and Afghanistan pretty much cut off all land access to the Arab peninsula…
As Kunstler pointed out, when peak oil is past and the growing Chinese economy is thirsty, they have the advantage that they can walk there if they have to.
Better update lease rumors false–see current thewashingtonnote.
curses
percy:
i emailed thom hartmann right after i posted that. i’ll get it out as soon as he replies. thanks for the interest.
Squirrel Hiller – per your 11:42 – Did you find that link?
“Is it really true that the long-term plan of the Greater Israel crowd is to annex Jordan and Syria?”
Iran, Syria, and one other country… Not so sure about Jordan. These are clearly goal of the Israeli foriegn policy. This is another reason for concern in this investigation… These people in the WHIG, Judy Miller… Have direct and intimate contacts with the mossad thru Zionist “Think Tanks”…
You know… a few years ago when I tried to tell people these connections, point out the dots that makes a full picture when you connect them… Nobody took me very seriously.
You know how it is with “conspiracy theories”… Sigh…
And of course when I did speak out, they did come after me.
Now with evidence developing, the light of truth will shine, except in the prison cells where these people will be living.
“Normally, I eschew AOL-ese, but I think the only proper response to this statement is OMG!! LMFAOOOO!!!!
Thesaurus Rex”
AOL-ese?? Hmmph.
“i worry that they’ll come after you just like they did Paul Wellstone and Steve Clements. You know too much to be posting from you’re home. They can track you…Seriously you need to watch your back.”
It’s already happened. Been there, done that… I posted about _some_ of it last night… Got trolled too by a Karl jr.
If Bin Laden is not dead, he is a very sick, likely severely wounded, ineffective man at this point. All this hype and media focus… It’s a propaganda tool to rouse people to the adminstrations purposes.
Yeah… Iraq is nothing more than a petty oil grab. And to be honest, if they had just said that in the beginning… “Look, there is a serious oil shortage coming, Saddam is a bad guy and he’s sitting on some prime oil estate… We want to go in and take him out for national security purposes i.e. secure a fuel supply for the next 20 years… They may have had more luck.
But they did not have time or inclination to tell the truth… The election was coming up… So they lied and went in.
But as was reported in the New Yorker, the old guard knew… They knew during the Gulf War… You can’t run Iraq, you can’t control those people. Truly the only way to hold that country together is the same way Saddam did… Oppression and propaganda… So we become him.
Im sorry I know I don’t spell very well and I’m not educated like you all are. But I know TRUTH when I see it. :)
Is the title link “The Viagra Pen and the Non-Speaking Spokesman” supposed to take you to the “Ugly/Not-Ugly?” story?
Also they will tap your phone and your bank account and you loose your job. :(:(:(
I thought a Viagra pen was one that never ran out of ink.
Me, i sure hope you post from public library or something but that would make late nite posting hard LOL. But really — i worry that they’ll come after you just like they did Paul Wellstone and Steve Clements. You know too much to be posting from you’re home. They can track you…Seriously you need to watch your back. (((((ME!!!)))))
I prefer Sanborn’s silence to Puffy McMoon Face’s “You’re asking a question about an ongoing investigation while it’s ongoing. We’re not going to comment on an ogoing investigation because it’s going on. It’s ongoing, it’s going on, it’s ongoing, ongoing, ongoing!!!!”
Normally, I eschew AOL-ese, but I think the only proper response to this statement is OMG!! LMFAOOOO!!!!
Sheesh. There goes the neighborhood.
thom hartman says bon laden has been dead since shortly after the tora bora thing. an egyptian newspaper reporter says he attended the funeral, saw dead bin laden, who passed away from a lung ailment, and then saw him buried, as is his religion’s custom, in an unmarked grave in tora bora.
TREASONGATE: NIGER DOCUMENT FRAUD — Wilson And Plame May Be On Fitzgerald’s Radar For Treason Related To The Niger Document Conspiracy.
by Citizen Spook
also by CS
TREASONGATE: The Felony Murder Rule
oops.. scratch the non-sequitur sentence in my last post.
http://citizenspook.blogpsot.com
I third the suggestion that our leaders don’t want peace. I think the domestic political considerations are not foremost, however. The main concern is that the US maintain a large troop presence in the Middle East against the possibility of oil shortages after Peak Oil, and if we just happen to take out Israel’s worst enemies in the meantime… well, shit happens.
You can’t look at the news of our impending assault on Syria of all places—-a country that is a small threat to only one country in the world—to realize that the Likudniks really have taken over.
I got just excoriated on another.
Is it really true that the long-term plan of the Greater Israel crowd is to annex Jordan and Syria?
…I’m just asking.
TREASONGATE: NIGER DOCUMENT FRAUD — Wilson And Plame May Be On Fitzgerald’s Radar For Treason Related To The Niger Document Conspiracy.
by citizensp**k
why won;t this thing accept spook links?
“Me, with your connections, you should be able to confirm: i’ve heard (thru a friend whom works at a DC Starbucks and hears lots of the official “chatter”) that *really* big stuff is coming downand that they are all covering their asses and thinking about new careers other than as friends’s of Shrubbie’s. Those that aren’t GOING TO JAIL, that is! LOL I mean big as in very, very, very senior “administration officials” — like you can’t get any more senior.”
I heard… ages ago, and I posted it here, and I stand by it…. …
The CIA handed this case to Fitz, with evidence already developed pointing to a high crime… And asked him to take down the preznit.
And since I posted that… I have watched Fitz play dominos with the WH, flipping from the bottom to the top. And I saw him do this _exact_ same thing in Illinois a few years back when he took down the Ryan machine. 60 indictments were sent up in that case… And all the local wags said “It couldn’t be done”
Betcha it can ;)
The lies about withdrawal are as bad as the lies that got us into Iraq in the first place- and the media has even less appetite for even asking the flippin question:
“When the president talks about withdrawal- does he mean total withdrawal of all troops, aircraft, and military personnel from Iraq?”
I have NEVER heard this question asked. Has anyone?
“Clusterfuck is lyin his ass off. He is building permanent military bases. There are NO plans to withdraw anything but footsoldiers from Iraq- and probably less than half of them.”
Surely you are dead on correct. There never was, there still is not, _any_ plan to leave the country. The plan is to dish out excuse after excuse why we cannot stand down and go home.
They don’t really want to kill all the terrorists either… Did you know Judy crossed swords with Fitz on a case in NT once… A few years back.
Fitz was moving in with the FBI to sieze records from an Islamic charity that was sending money to Afghanistan to support training camps. Judy got a tip, and she phoned the charity a couple of hours before the scheduled raid and tipped them off that Fitz was coming.
Fitz was _livid_ and tried to lock Judy up, but needed a subpoena to get her phone records and the Judge declined to issue on insufficient evidence. But Fitz never forgot, and was actually quite pleased to find a way to jail her ass this time around.
The administration needs active terrorists in order to keep the population supportive of the war, and afraid for their lives.
Bin laden escaping? How many years and how much money spent chasing this guy without any hint of success???
In WWII Hitler needed the Jews to be the enemy, the scapegoat, the place to focus people away from the truth and at the same time provide a target to vent their anger (because they know in their hearts things are not really quite right)… This era, it’s the terrorists.
If you look at the policy in Iraq… It actually takes pretty much normal young men, and turns them into “insurgents” and “terrorists”… If we were not there occupying their country, rounding up and abusing the young male population… Most of these guys would never have considered undertaking any violent acts… They are human beings, just like we are… People don’t want war… War lords do.
http://www.xenophilia.com/pics/protest/goering.jpg
In the MSM the focus has been moving back and forth between Scooty pants and Rover… But there are others.
I don’t know if this is what Me is referring to, but I had a post early last week about how Rove and Libby really did very little direct leaking.
Their main role was orchestrating the two leak channels I described last night/this morning — a “dirty” version of the leak (mentioning Valerie Plame) from Libby through Hannah/Wurmser/Fleitz/whoever (and/or the INC) to Judith Miller and Bob Novak, and a “clean” version (”Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA”) from Libby to Rove and then to Ari Fleischer and other WH political types.
IMO, Fitz has been able to roll up both channels. Perhaps Me knows what else he found when he did. :)
Miers was the best fag hag after Laura.
Now, he must find another fag hag to make him feel like a big strong boy…because he absolutely cannot nominate a man. This was a female seat.
This should be very interesting.
Was Barbara Bush ever a paralegal?
Me, with your connections, you should be able to confirm: i’ve heard (thru a friend whom works at a DC Starbucks and hears lots of the official “chatter”) that *really* big stuff is coming downand that they are all covering their asses and thinking about new careers other than as friends’s of Shrubbie’s. Those that aren’t GOING TO JAIL, that is! LOL I mean big as in very, very, very senior “administration officials” — like you can’t get any more senior.
Me, I love your posts and you keep the hope in my heart. Take care, my firend, and keep safe. ;)
Where does proactive stop and propaganda begin
Again, I agree. Part of what this WH has done, propaganda-wise, is to get their propaganda to be re-cast as proactive spin.
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“We can withdraw as soon as the Iraqi army is trained”
We’ve been training away for two and a half years. It takes 12 weeks to train an Iraqi soldier.
Any fool can see that the problem is not training- it’s something else.
Iraqi troops have not been given equipment- no machine guns- no armored troop carriers- nothin but old AK47s.
Now why would we do that with the most important army in the world to our future?
We won’t give em anything that might actually be effective- because they would use em on US!
The Mystery of Judy Miller’s ‘Security Clearance’ Deepens
She was touting her alleged permission to have had access to ”intelligence sources and methods,” a phrase that the intelligence community uses to refer to the most sensitive of intelligence secrets such as electronic intercepts, satellite photographs, and human spies. In knowingly using that code phrase “intelligence sources and methods,” she stated, moreover, that she shared such sensitive information with “the most senior Times editors.” How
interesting this may prove to be to special prosecutor Fitzgerald.
I have seen little coverage of the White House lies on the Iraq armed forces
President Clusterfuck says regularly:
“We have an exit plan- as the Iraq army stands up- we stand down”
Clusterfuck wants to create the impression that he will leave Iraq once Iraqi are up to doing the dying.
The truth is entirely contrary to this.
The plans for the iraqi military includes and air force consisting of 300 men- and a few aircraft.
The Iraqi armored force consists of ONE old soviet era tank.
The Iraqi artillery doesn’t exist in any form.
Clusterfuck is lyin his ass off. He is building permanent military bases. There are NO plans to withdraw anything but footsoldiers from Iraq- and probably less than half of them.
This is obvious stuff- and it’s not being covered anywhere that I can see.
aReader: What really gets me is this — Do those same commentators think the Nazi’s were “proactive” and “forward-leaning”? Or was their “spin” propaganda?
Are the Moonies proactive? Where does proactive stop and propaganda begin? Is spreading disinformation being proactive?
(I can just see books being written about how Hitler was proactive and forward-leaning… Yeah, right!)
I really don’t like the way they are trying to make this sound like it’s an okay thing to do… Like it’s some kind of a great business plan. Don’t we have any ethics or morals anymore?
“I’m thinking poppy, for what it’s worth, because Jr.’s “legacy” is tied up with his own…”
I just don’t know… Chimpy’s ego is such that he would appear to be rather estranged from poppy and the old guard. He is the big powerful preznit after all…
It’s truly sad, and I would laugh if it did not hurt so much.
“There is little truth in it.”
I gave you guys a good case ;)
Everyone else is casting and spinning.
one thing we all can do is get active locally so that the 2006 vote is counted acurately and those dreadful electronic voting machines are either thrown in the trash or made tamper resistant. thom hartman has been on this topic over and over. he had a woman from n.c. on who said that state’s vote for 2004 was completely fouled up. msm would rather show footage of a pond being drained in the hunt for a missing co-ed. i’ll get a link for this gal in n.c. her stories are incredible.
“I confess to loathing PNAC member Rumsfeld as much or more than anyone else involved and still fear he may manage to fly under the radar like the vulture he is.”
I see Rummy as a leader in the conspiracy, an instigator… He is like a little kid too, playing army. He built this new smaller, higher tech military… And could not stop scratching the itch to try it out on someone. Then of course they decide to go after Sadam, a third rate military force at bet, after warring with Iran for 8 years, then we took out their republican guard in the Gulf War… Then sanctions… The WH _had_ to know Saddam had nothing left to field that was effective to fight. We rolled into the country and faced 20 year old Soviet tanks that had not seen spare parts or decent maintanence in a decade… Of course there were all the WMD and the modern nuclear processing facilities…
No, it was Rummy playing general on the military end, he just could not stop scratching the itch to play with his new toy.
BTW, and I don’t know if anyone caught this, it blew past so quickly I did not grab a link to the story… Those “mobile weapons labs” that Judy helped track down in Iraq after the invasion… They were soda trucks!!!! Frigging soft drink vending trucks for street festivals…
“rummy and wolfy had nothing to do with all of this?” Of course they had everything to do with it, but how often do you see them mentioned? Granted that Wolfie is now busily counting money for the World Bank, and slipping it off to God knows who, but Torturer Rumsfeld seems to be all but invisible.
A little border incident with Syria or shouldour good friend Sharon give us a hand?
I wonder who that someone is.
Me
Let’s face it- this is about Cheney and Bush- get one or both of them and the gooper party is over- anything less is a temporary setback for the gooper shit machine.
This story is turning into a garbage heap.
Reporters report:
One indictment
Sealed indictments
Multiple indictments
Plea bargains
GJ extensions
No extensions
New GJ
Broadening investigation
etc etc etc.
None of it apparently comes from Fitz- it’s all idle speculation or leaks from defense attorneys- who have no motivation to tell the truth- or even any knowledge of what the truth is.
I think that we might as well turn the “news” into a compost pile for now- let it rot into good soil.
There is little truth in it.
rummy and wolfy had nothing to do with all of this?
If Bolton’s in the net I’ll be happy dancin’ for a month – or more!
Me: I think we can safely predict whoever tells George he can’t have his way will soon be looking for a new job. So all we have to do is read news reports of people leaving the WH “for personal reasons” to see who drew the short straw.
“Hence, the possible tie-in to Andy Levine, who coordianted Sunday talk show appearances for the WH, and who was re-intervied by Fitz’s team earlier this week.”
Yeah Levine was called back to cinch up the conspiracy charges.
And someone mentioned Bolton as being possibly under pressure… I have thought he may be in the net too.
Me, care to wonder out loud for us – specifically?
I’m thinking poppy, for what it’s worth, because Jr.’s “legacy” is tied up with his own…
oh PointypointypointedHead!
that was great, but, I think he’s pointing to a good spot to take a shit in the woods.
Speaking of toilets:
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Mal….._TWICE.jpg
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For me the best segment in the above cited MSNBC article is the nearly unprecedented mention of Donald Rumsfeld. I’ve often wondered if anyone would ever speculate on what ingredient the (offensive) Defense Sec’y added to this putrid stew . I confess to loathing PNAC member Rumsfeld as much or more than anyone else involved and still fear he may manage to fly under the radar like the vulture he is.
In the MSM the focus has been moving back and forth between Scooty pants and Rover… But there are others.
And I wanted to talk about Harriet for a moment too… Cause this gives us a peek in the presnitz mind state…
Two days ago (or was it just yesterday) I saw headlines all over the MSM that “Bush confident Miers nomination will go through”… This is a man who is used to getting his way without question… World’s most powerful anti-terrorist leader and all that…
I wonder who woke him up with the bad news that reality and spin have both changed and that he had his back turned when the clue bus pulled away without him. Man… I can just imagine the temper tantrums… Like a little school boy told he won’t get movie money on Saturday night (there are a lot of things in the budget gonna change too)…
In this situation, Bush is his own worse enemy… Petulant, prone to rages… Unless someone starts making decisions and cutting him out of the loop, he will cut his own throat at this point. Somebody had to tell him… Like the Miers nomination going into the toilet for a big double flush… “Georgie, you just can’t have your way anymore, things are gonna change.”
I wonder who that someone is.
I prefer Sanborn’s silence to Puffy McMoon Face’s “You’re asking a question about an ongoing investigation while it’s ongoing. We’re not going to comment on an ogoing investigation because it’s going on. It’s ongoing, it’s going on, it’s ongoing, ongoing, ongoing!!!!!
Ahhhhhh.
Claudia — Re: Comments yesterday of “proactive” WH spin… I agree!
The transcripts are now up. Here is the exchange I posted about:
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HOWARD FINEMAN, “NEWSWEEK”: Well, Chris, this Bush White House, this Bush campaign that preceded this Bush White House, was the best spin machine I have ever seen. They took the Clinton thing, which was reactive, and made it proactive.
MATTHEWS: Forward-leaning.
FINEMAN: Forward-leaning. And they had a schedule for everything. This is the way Bush ran his campaigns, this is the way he ran his operation, this is the way they ran the sales job for the war in Iraq.
You drop something here, you go on TV there, you unearth some information there. This is how they sold it and how they defended it after they sold it. And it‘s all of a piece.
But the interesting thing now is it was such a tightly run, scheduled spin operation that its strength is also its weakness. Because if you pull a piece of it apart then you get everybody at the same time. That‘s potentially what‘s happening here.
MATTHEWS: I‘m going to ask—Walter, I mean, you are one of the great journalists in this town, one of the great investigators. What this does unearth is the possibility that we went to war on background, a case made for war by feeding the “New York Times” the case for war then having the vice president come on and say, “Did you read the Times today? We got to go to war.“
WALTER PINCUS, “THE WASHINGTON POST”: There was one weekend, one Sunday in September of 2002 when they were on their way trying to get a vote from Congress and also a vote from the U.N., the story in the “Times” was picked up, picked up not just by the vice president but by the secretary of defense who appeared on another channel and by Condoleezza Rice who was on a third charge. And all of them repeating what the “Times” had carried that morning.
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Hence, the possible tie-in to Andy Levine, who coordianted Sunday talk show appearances for the WH, and who was re-intervied by Fitz’s team earlier this week.
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obsessed,
Anyone from Bolton’s state dept gang would seem to be candidates for non-WH indictees.
I have no comments regarding my previous comments
in the miers nomination withdrawn pic… (see second most recent firedog pic)
i just realized this the hidden message of the photo op…
she has come out of the woods (in the autumn of her years, a career lawyer having made her way through “the thickets of the law”, the thickets of “man’s law”).
and there is bush, the sage guide, the visionary. he is pointing to the heavens, to god. he is showing harriet the vertical in authority. he is saying… “there is a higher law”. the cowboy hat forms a halo around his head.
.
Me — I am hoping Fitz gets Rove and the rest, and Bush — I hope he doesn’t let any of them go free completely.
Obsessed: I don’t think the Raw Story piece identifies who the last-minute-plea bargainers might be. All the speculation has been on Rove of course, because of the Fitz sighting[s]. But I don’t recall the other two mystery indictees being mentioned. Or have I missed some detail here?
Michael
PS [My hunch — for what it’s worth, which isn’t much! — is that one of the two mystery indictees is Fred Fleitz]
“But what if Rove and Luskin pull the rug out from under him? Rove’s been known to do that.”
They have already tried that… Rover did exactly that in front of the GJ in three consecutive visits… It’s too late for games for these people… Fitz has them bagged and tagged… Anything less than the straight up story, given voluntarily and backed up by evidence (such as notes, phone logs, etc) simply means we get a merrier Fitzmas :)))
“I hope Fitzgerald has a bulletproof vest to go along with his bulletproof evidence. And let’s hope that the grand jurors are safe from Rovian interference.”
Fitz would hope they would be stupid enough to try… Cause then they get no deals, nothing… They would be arrested, perp walked right into the darkest hole in Washington, and they would rot there… Witness tampering, jury tampering, or threatening a prosecutor in this case would be a hehehe _grave_ mistake. At this point I don’t think even KarlCo could be that stupid…
Karl thinks he is smart… Which is of course how he got his nuts burned. But with the matter no longer in the GJ, but in the law offices… He is pretty much out of the strong arm game at this point.
I did see one of his perp jrs wandering around here… But it’s just smear and spin, it don’t hurt anybody anymore.
Vandehei smoking crack again??:Should he need more time to finish the investigation, Fitzgerald could seek to empanel a new group of grand jurors to consider the case. But sources familiar with the prosecutor’s work said he has indicated he is eager to avoid that route. The term of the current grand jury has been extended once and cannot be lengthened again, according to federal rules.
I thought it was well established that the term of THIS SGJ could be extended up to 18 months in 6-month increments.
“Fitz does not make house calls on perps who are not dealing.”
But what if Rove and Luskin pull the rug out from under him? Rove’s been known to do that.
more from Rawstory: An eleventh-hour deal could help Fitzgerald “build a strong case against some very senior officials in the office of the vice president,” one attorney said.
Okay, so, according this article’s nebulous sources, Fitz has secured an indictment against 4 people – Scooter, Karl, and two more who “work outside the white house” – it doesn’t say whether they still work for the govt. or no. He was going to announce that on Wednesday — hence the scoop from Richard Sale — but the two outside indictees came forward at the 11th hour to seek plea bargains.
questions:
1) What is the org chart of the office of the Veep?
–Cheney
–Libby
–?
–?
2) Ari is the #1 suspect to be one of the outside indictees, but I doubt that Levine is the other. What former White House types have the most criminal exposure here? Matalin is on the outside now, but as I understand it, the only way she gets indicted is as part of a broader conspiracy which nails all of WHIG — a delicious prospect which would bring Condi to justice, and which seems to have fallen off the radar lately.
“Karl, you plead now to obstruction and answer all my questions honestly. What did the President know and when did he know it? Or, I can charge you with obstruction now and treason later. And, you know, they execute people for that.”
Yeah enormous pressure… And I don’t think Fitz would go out of his way to visit Luskin’s office unless Karl was giving in. Fitz does not make house calls on perps who are not dealing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9831883/
“the legal team of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove has been engaged in a furious effort to convince the prosecutor that Rove did not commit perjury during the course of the investigation, according to people close to the aide. The sources, who indicated that the effort intensified in recent weeks, said Rove still did not know last night whether he would be indicted.”
This is spin and bullshit… Karl has no legs to stand on… Fitz can put 15 different people on the stand who can truthfully testify that Karl has nothing short of a superb memory (even in the press it is known he can recall precinct poll returns in presidential elections going back 100 years)… They are just coughing up so much charcoal.
“I think Fitz will show them what “bulletproof” evidence looks like.” I hope Fitzgerald has a bulletproof vest to go along with his bulletproof evidence. And let’s hope that the grand jurors are safe from Rovian interference . .
“The grand jury, a group of onetime strangers from across the District, has spent two days a week for nearly 24 months in the cloistered, guarded room on the third floor of the U.S. District Courthouse. They have sifted through the day planners of White House aides and listened intently as the prosecutor grilled West Wing officials and reporters who relied on them as confidential sources. They are paid $40 a day, plus $4 for transportation.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..532_2.html
Going through my head…(ahem):
The axe’ll come down
Tomorrow
Making Bushies holler
For tomorrow
There’ll be fun!
Fitz taking names
Tomorrow
He’ll clear away the traitors,
And the sorrow
‘Til there’s none!
When I’m stuck a day
That’s gray,
And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin,
And Say,
Oh!
The axe’ll come down
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
‘Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I love ya Tomorrow!
You’re always
A day
A way!
Wayne Madesn reports that a plea bargain negotiation with Rove broke down and he will be indicted on several counts.
Any takers here?
http://waynemadsenreport.com
Raw Story has some breaking news:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/….._1027.html
What are the deals in the works now…hmmm? Karl, you plead now to obstruction and answer all my questions honestly. What did the President know and when did he know it? Or, I can charge you with obstruction now and treason later. And, you know, they execute people for that.
I’m getting an ulcer waiting for these indictiments to come down — I can’t IMAGINE the pressure the perps are under, and now they’re all flipping like the Peking Opera Company.
Fitz is the Mozart of stress.
It’s coming down J Bean… Patience, we will almost certainly hear solid news tomorrow.
The longer Fitz keeps the vise on, the more the perps squirm and sweat. I know it’s hard on people.
I don’t think the timing is exactly as Fitz planned it because the perps are trying to deal, stall, and delay a bit… But his patience is like ours, and the GJ… It gets thin.
I don’t know how I missed this article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9831216/site/newsweek/
“Oct. 26, 2005 – A secret draft CIA report raises new questions about a principal argument used by the Bush administration to justify the war in Iraq: the claim that Saddam Hussein was “harboring” notorious terror leader Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi prior to the American invasion.
…
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld referred obliquely to Zarqawi’s purported trip as an example of “bulletproof” evidence that the administration had assembled linking Saddam’s regime with Al Qaeda.
But like the uranium yellowcake claims—since determined to be fraudulent—that are at the heart of the CIA leak case, the administration’s original allegations about Zarqawi’s trip also seem to be melting away….”
I think Fitz will show them what “bulletproof” evidence looks like.
siun, Thank you very much. My son, Zach, has always been obsessed with reading!
He has had a book in hands from the day he learned to read.
J BEan,
No, its the best Xmas eve ever. There will be gifts under the tree (indictments) along with a special gift that will continue giving throughout the year (new GJ to investigate the Niger forgeries etc.
umm…what is a viagra pen? An advertising freebie of a pen with the Viagra logo?
Maybe THAT’S why the pen is mightier than the sword.
Ha ha ha ha! Get it? Pen is…?
oh, never mind…
.
Waiting for the outcome of this investigation is starting to feel less and less like Christmas Eve and more and more like February in Chicago. Endless.
Monk and Pachacutec- Love the blog and the artwork
Colleen – prayers from me too. I’m seeing a pal I went to school with tonight he’s a priest I’ll ask him to say some masses for you both :-)
The Rawstory story is more interesting that the headline. It leaves open the idea of a new SGJ to investigate the Niger forgeries, repeats that Rove was offered a deal which he refused, seems to say that the indictment already in hand does include Rove (it’s a little unclear about this), and says that Fitz warned Hogan a couple weeks ago that people “outside the white house” might come forward requesting deals, and …
Fitzgerald intended to announce that he had secured indictments against I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, and Karl Rove, President Bush’s deputy chief of staff, Wednesday afternoon as well as two people who work outside of the administration, those close to the case said.
But his office was contacted late Tuesday by attorneys representing figures outside the White House, lawyers said, who expressed interest in entering into plea talks with the prosecutor. Several have agreed to enter into last-minute plea negotiations with Fitzgerald in exchange for providing testimony that could result in criminal charges being brought against additional officials inside the White House, they added.
FWIW
Claudia – I have been reading a blog from a guy who works in the stock market. He says that within 3 months of confirmation of the new head of the Fed there will be a stock market crash. He bills himself as a “true conservative” and his blog reads more like a liberal.
ColleenMM: Good luck, best wishes. Hope that everything turns out O.K. Expecting to be helping out the local community in times of need is a far cry from going to Iraq, even if going to Iraq had a plausable reason.
“I also think this is personal for Fitz… I’d imagine he’s furious at Bush and Cheney… if I were him, I’d be pissed off.”
I will second that. Fitz knows how conspiracies work, the mafia runs basically the same way. It’s the top guys he goes after.
Colleen Military Mom – your son and his comrades might like to sign up on the following site before they are deployed – http://www.booksforsoldiers.com.
(and folks here might also like to sign up to help out.)
BFS enables soldiers stationed overseas to post requests for books (and cd’s. dvd’s, etc) and folks here send them along. I was hooked when I saw a soldier request a copy of the Phantom Tollbooth. It’s a completely nonpolitical site with folks from all sides of the aisles participating – and you quickly learn that the soldiers come from all sides as well.
Anyhow, the soldiers I’ve connected with found it a great support network along with their family and friends.
Over at next hurrah, Meteor Blades posted this:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..#trackback
The operative paragraph is,”Every one of them is wrong. Invading Iraq was no mistake. It was bloody treason. And the traitors still rule us instead of breaking rocks at Leavenworth.
They knowingly, willingly, unhesitatingly pronounced what they knew to be lies and marginalized, denigrated and smeared contrary-minded people, manipulated real evidence, concocted fake evidence, tricked an American population traumatized, fearful and furious about terrorism and sent young men and women off to a war at the tip of a bayonet named “9/11.” “
Fitzgerald’s done with Plame. He’ll get a few “technical ” indictments out of it. No, what he wants is Bush and Cheney for treason. New website, new office? This is far from over.
I also think this is personal for Fitz. Remember, he indicted bin Laden in 1998 (or ‘96, not sure). Basically, Bush allowed him to escape. Wouldn’t Fitzgerald, as the charging prosecutor have been the trial prosecutor, as well? If Fitz is really the kind of prosecutor he seems to be, I’d imagine he’s furious at Bush and Cheney. If not for the Iraq “mistake”, bin Laden might be behind bars now, and Fitzgerald would have been the one to put him there. And the world truly would have been a little safer. But they let bin Laden escape, and that’s treason.
I suspect, though, that Fitzgerald is honest and sincerely believes he is pursuing truth. He’d never allow personal feelings to interfere or color his thinking, and he certainly would never talk about them.
But if I were him, I’d be pissed off.
“Cause you know, if it hinges on whether people knew she was NOC, they will drag some sorry ass in front of the jury claiming everyone knew and – presto !!! – reasonable doubt.”
That angle is pretty well covered I think. The person they would put up on the stand would have to be saying they are privy to classified information… And the question would be “Where did you hear it from?”
One possibly interesting tidbit I have not seen noted yet from the WSJ article today:
Witnesses in the case also have been asked to come to Washington this week to meet with the special prosecutor and his team to nail down key parts of their earlier testimony.
Maybe this is just a reference to Adam Levine, who we know has been reinterviewed, but it does say “witnesses” in the plural, and I’d like to think that Ari Fleischer has come down to D.C. from his new retreat in order to provide cooperative testimony.
“i’ve been wonder, do you have any thoughts on mcnulty’s new appt. i’ve seen 2 very different opinions on the role he could play when plame really hits.”
McNulty is a party hack basically, swears he is about law and order and pretty weak in prosecutorial experience. He may try to pull some strings at Justice once this hurricane hits full blow… But I think he is careful enough not to get too involved for fear of being tripped up.
Despite his being a party hack… I get the feeling he is sincere about following the letter of the law. It’s pretty clear these perps are going down hard, he would be a fool not to see the direction the wind is coming from. Given his stature and background, at worst he will sit on his hands and squirm I bet.
Did we ever get to who plays Fitz in the movie? I know he doesn’t look like Fitz , but I think Liam Neeson would be perfect….
Colleen military mom – Prayers for you and your son.
Monk – That’s a great graphic! Nice site you have – I plan to return for the wallpaper.
lemond54
I commented on an earlier thread that I thought Fitzgerald may have sent the FBI back to the Wilson’s neighborhood to try and ascertain whether any of them had been approached by the White House or lawyers and, as a result, either changed their story or were bought off.
I’m not a lawyer but I’d want to be sure that no one had changed their story. I learned everything I know from watching Law & Order. Every time a witness “forgets”, it’s “In my chambers!”
Maybe the ones that play a lawyer in real life could comment on whether or not Fitzgerald would have had or does have now a signed statement from each neighbor?
Cause you know, if it hinges on whether people knew she was NOC, they will drag some sorry ass in front of the jury claiming everyone knew and – presto !!! – reasonable doubt.
me — i’ve been wonder, do you have any thoughts on mcnulty’s new appt. i’ve seen 2 very different opinions on the role he could play when plame really hits.
This blog is great; it is both informative and entertaining!
If you like smart snark, another great place to get it is at Roger Ailes. Not THAT Roger Ailes the other one who is sharp and funny as heck.
http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..nse_fund_2
“Tom DeLay Failed To Disclose $20,850 In Donations To His Legal Defense Fund…”
In statements to the House and to the press he said it’s just chimp change and no biggie… Why last year he misplaced 5 times that much….
My question for Sanborn and Fitzgerald (and one I wish a White House reporter had asked months ago):
Did the Office of Special Counsel make specific requests that the White House not discuss the case in public at all?
new from
emptywheel: interesting thoughts about the veracity of Judy’s & Libby’s handwritten notes.
Monk
My son is now at Fort Shelbey in final training. Going to Irag around January. He is National Guard. Joined about 6 years ago . He got his degree with ROTC financial help.
He joined to serve his country by helping in national disasters and college help.
He knows I hate Bushco. We agreed that his oath is to the Constitution before the Com in Cheif.
“Extended forecast: And then it’s going to get hot, and keep getting hotter.”
Ya… Even I feel the heat radiating off this thing.
Pachacutec:
LMAO at your 9:50.
“I will confirm that Pat has been seen on occasion holding a pen.”
damn, he’s good isn’t he. lol. i’m really looking forward to your fitzgerald story — hope it’s filled with lots of anecdotes.
Extended forecast: And then it’s going to get hot, and keep getting hotter.
I’m wondering if there will be an effect on the markets if there is/isn’t an announcement tomorrow… The markets aren’t looking too terribly healthy and it is October after all. Could we have another Black Friday in store?
Fitz and crew have their game so perfectly tuned – strong silent but laughing as well. I love the image of them sharing an inside joke in the elevator and Randall’s agile laugh-at-himself exchange with Jane. Makes me wonder not who plays them in the movie but who cast them for this reality show?
A viagra pen is a rigid, barrel-shaped instrument typically employed by men like Robert Dole to titillate the ladies in lieu of a gun. Viagra is a substance normally passed out at Republican dinner parties instead of after-dinner mints. ;-)
BREAKING FROM RAWSTORY:
WEATHER WILL CHANGE, THEN CHANGE BACK
If a doctor wrote a prescription for Viagra with one of these Viagra pens, would it cancel out the effect of the pill or amplify it?
:scratches head:
-Monk
Thanks Colleen. I appreciate it. I’m having fun with it and it’s therapeutic.
Colleen, I’m sorry if you’ve already mentioned, but where is your son/ daughter deployed?
-Monk
umm…what is a viagra pen? An advertising freebie of a pen with the Viagra logo?
I have one in my pen mug right now. Yes, it’s a drug company freebie. And the one I have is a double-ender, brushed blue with a PDA stylus at the other end.
Read into that what you will.
A QUESTION FOR THE NON-SPEAKING SPOKESMAN:
Next time you call Fitzgerald’s spokesman, why not ask him if the Special Prosecutor or any one on his staff has any travel plans – such as to Italy, to investigate in more detail the sources of the Niger uranium forged document, and its use by the Administration?
After all, all roads lead to Rome …
Oh, and ask him if you could call that “travelling prosecutor” collect, when he or she is in Italy.
Cool blog, Monk
“what is the effect of Viagra on us women?
Speechless “
“If you think you can think about a thing that is hitched to other things without thinking about the things that it is hitched to, then you have a legal mind” Thomas Reed Powell
Boy, was I an idiot before I read lemond54’s 9:27.
Nice catch.
With respect to Victoria, I think she demonstrates how difficult it is for the WH to find anyone to go on TV and defend them.
Oh, and I’m curious… would the female contingent here be happy or sullen if it came out that Fitz is on the viagra?
Imo: Leave him alone ladies, he has work to do. sheesh!
-Monk
Wilson it’s a freebie like the drug companies are always giving out… but for a moment there as I was reading Jane’s headline I had the mad idea that it was a pen dipped in Viagra. I love to chew on pen’s so if I was Fitzi I’d be pretty pumped by now.
Actually as it is, I’m pretty giddy. All this suspense is making my normal ebbulient nature positively manic!
Is Fitzgerald ready for the smear factory?
I think he is. Check out my latest blog entry (with Pachacutec as guest writer) and blog graphic.
The graphic this time is not just supposed to be funny, it is symbolic (albiet nerdy) of what is at stake.
As an added bonus, I made a ‘wallpaper’ version of the graphic available for d/l.
Inflatable Dartboard
http://darted.blogspot.com
-Monk
umm…what is a viagra pen? An advertising freebie of a pen with the Viagra logo? or is it something more coded?
It was to shut Victoria up.
then it was worth it
nor do I
Let’s not forget that Fitz was telegraphing to the public and to Rove et al that Valerie was a covert operative when he sent the FBI to interview her neighbors on Tuesday. It wasn’t to button up the case as he’s had all that information months ago. It was to put pressure on the perps and to dismiss the Repub talking point that she had given up her cover years ago. It was to shut Victoria up.
I have no comment.
Jane, oh giggle. Very nice post.
Hey, if Fitzi wins indictments, he could get his face on the Wheaties box. Or maybe even the Viagra pill bottle. Be manly like Pat, not a girly man like Rove… or something like that. Maybe I’d even buy a bottle–what is the effect of Viagra on us women?
Now up on Raw Story: FITZGERALD HAS SECURED AN INDICTMENT, LAWYERS SAY…. DEVELOPING…. dear god announce something and let this madness end.
Dan Froomkin seemed to be getting friendly with Sandborn . . . at least they talked when Fitzgerald’s website went up . . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00970.html
Ignore me if this was mentioned before….
I was watching CNN early this morning and they were doing a piece on outing a spy. I believe this was a piece they ran earlier also. At the end of the discussion with the reporter, the anchor and reporter were just saying drivel when the reporter mentioned that at least 2 foreign countries were known to have started investigations based on the the Novak leak. I have seen speculation on this board whether anyone was outed overseas and the consequence of that, but this is the first mention I remember where a specific allegation was put forth by the media.
Shotgun?
BREAKING NEWS: Scooter Libby & Judith Miller hired as Ghostwriters by the Daily News
last paragraph of today’s article: “While White House staffers were tense, Fitzgerald’s team relaxed from their stoic, all-business demeanor. The cheery prosecutors shared an elevator ride with a News reporter and cracked up over a private joke.”
This is breaking news? Why don’t they just come out and say: BREAKING NEWS – Earth Still Round
Lmao! At first I thought this was a Joke piece, but as I read… I realized Jane really did call Randall!
That is pure gold Jane! It takes a special girl to have the huevos to try to crack the egg a different way, and it sounds like you almost had him ready to give him anything you wanted. In fact, I recommend you try again tomorrow morning. There is something special forged between the two of you now. He is probably sitting in a meeting with Fitz right now and yet he is day dreaming of you.
Fantastic work.
-Monk
BREAKING NEWS Special prosecutor is focusing on whether presidential adviser Karl Rove committed perjury in CIA leak probe, sources tell CNN.
Cute,. . . but damn, we’re really scraping the bottom for news now aren’t we? We’re now parsing whether Fitz is gonna feel that he needs to turn “no news” into something resembling actual news before we all chew off our own arms.
I hope the people around me in my day job don’t find out how pitiful I am and all my new best friends here really are. Come on, Fitz! We need a life.
If a non-speaking spokesman falls in the woods, does he make a sound?
don’t wnna be a troglodyte..