It looks like Cheney is bloodied if not out of the game entirely. Junior sits on the sidelines like a dispirited waterboy watching one fallen warrior after another carried off the field. But are we really to believe that he is nothing more than a thick-witted victim of his compatriots’ malfeasance? What are the odds?
Pretty fucking low, if you ask me.
This week saw the nick-of-time release of the New Yorker article where Poppy’s best friend, Brent Scowcroft, rushes in to save Junior by hanging all his cronies out to dry. “Poor Dubya, he just doesn’t know how to pick his friends.” But Scowcroft is a player in a much larger and much more telling drama with regard to Junior that is only hinted at in the New Yorker piece.
As Digby writes:
The underlying narrative… is the subconscious rivalry between the father and the son, Scowcroft becoming the stand-in for 43’s resentment toward 41. You wonder how many of the tragic blunders of the last five years are the result of crafty neocons playing into Junior’s desire to gainsay his father.
Although the Bush family junta will pull together when it’s time to collect their checks from the Carslyle group and preserve family hegemony, I think Digby is right in observing that there is a keen competition going on between the ne’er-do-well son and his patriarchal father that is positively Shakespearean.
Which has everything to do with why I’ll never be convinced that Junior was not in on the attempt to smear Joe Wilson from the get-go, despite the desperate efforts of GOP playmakers to keep the focus away from him even as they offer up the head of the much-hated Cheney on a plate.
But let’s dial it back a bit.
Bush’s rush to war was a clear indictment of everything his father stood for. Where Bush 41’s war with Iraq was a carefully measured campaign that sought to build alliances, share internationally the responsibility and expense and carefully court the world of public opinion, Bush 43’s war resembled a pack of drunken cowboys riding into town and recklessly shooting up the saloon.
Junior’s war was a mockery of his father’s efforts, and he didn’t want to waste time on things like National Intelligence Estimates, an analysis of all the pre-war intelligence regarding Iraq which might have caught many of the specious claims that were waved through by partisan yahoos playing spy. Dick Durbin had to make a special request for an NIE to even be done prior to a declaration of war (p. 12 of the SSCI). National Intelligence Officers say that “ideally they would like about three months to produce an NIE;” this one was produced in less than twenty days, and its findings were never sent out for peer review or to a panel of outside experts because BushCo. said there wasn’t time. (p. 13, SSCI)
Ergo, Curveball. And 2000 dead Americans.
I remember when Bubba Clinton and Bush Sr. were doing their tsunami tour and good son Bubba slept on the floor so Poppy could have the bed. Ouch. That had to rankle Junior. Then Poppy invited Bubba up to Kennebunkport (site of Junior’s DUI). When I read that, my back went straight up. There is no way that a loadie like Junior didn’t take that as an implicit criticism of everything he was and everything he’d done.
So when Joe Wilson appeared on the BushCo. radar as an administration critic, I’ll believe Bush didn’t register it when I’ll believe Cheney came clean during his first tete-a-tete with Fitzgerald.
Wingnutia may want to impugn Wilson shamelessly, but Poppy called him a “true American hero” and raised him to the rank of Ambassador for the skillful way he handled himself in the midst of a very delicate and dangerous situation during the first Iraq war.
Moreover — Scowcroft loved him.
Scowcroft and Wilson were chummy. They both sat on the American Turkish Council. As Wilson said in his book:
We fell into an easy relationship and would banter back and forth about the new administration and its predecessors. After board meetings or other events, we’d often Metro back across town together. As the obsession with Iraq overtook many influential members of the Bush administration, our conversations turned frequently to the emerging debate on Iraq and the merits of the approach being advanced by the prowar crowd.
Hallo! Wilson would pal around with Poppy’s best friend and trash Junior. Then Scowcroft publicly called Junior out:
Brent Scowcroft was becoming increasingly concerned that perhaps his earlier optimism had been misplaced. No longer certain that the administration would shun the neoconservative path, he wrote a piece that appeared in the Wall Street Journal. on August 15, 2002. He warned of potential disaster if we tried to deal with Saddam militarily.
Before Wilson published his October 13, 2002 article for the San Jose Mercury News in which he was openly critical of BushCo.’s ramp up to war, he sent it to Scowcroft and Baker for review, as well as Poppy. Catch this:
Brent called me when he received the article. He kindly asked if he could “take it over to the White House,” only about two blocks from his downtown office. He said that he thought senior officials ought to read the views of somebody who actually had experience in Iraq and with Saddam’s government. (p. 296, my emphasis)
So Poppys best friend Scowcroft (who’s already on record for publicly calling Junior a fuckup) carries Wilson’s article down to the White House and swats Junior over the head with it like a dog that had peed on the rug. Acting as a stand-in for his war veteran dad, holding Wilson up as a model of patriotism and bravery while laughing at Nintendo boy for launching a foolish war from the comfort of his Barcalounger.
Jesus tapdancing Christ. You think THAT didn’t raise every hair on the back of Junior’s neck?
The day after Joe Wilson’s July 6, 2003 op-ed piece in the NYT was published, Bush and his entourage were on their way to what they hoped would be a historic tour of Africa. Bush was hoping to trump Bubba by arranging for a longer and more extensive trip than any American president had thus far undertaken.
Yet from the moment the plane took off, all Ari Fleischer seemed to want to talk about was Joe Wilson. I mentioned it yesterday, but I’ll quote it here again, from Wilson’s book:
Within a day, Fleischer was putting a different spin on the situation and downplaying the importance of my report. At one briefing after another, he had something to say about me, and by doing so gave the journalists another news cycle to talk about the sixteen words rather than about the president’s trip. Instead of containing the burgeoning press frenzy, Fleischer kept giving the story legs, so much so that it soon overwhelmed the president’s agenda in Africa.
If Bush wasn’t in on the “smear Wilson” campaign and didn’t care about it, I have to believe he would’ve told Ari to put a sock in it and focus instead on all the great photo ops this current trip was affording him. It was his big chance to con Tony Blair into believing he actually gave a shit about Africa, and pretend his medieval policies on contraception weren’t responsible for wiping out large swaths of the population.
Why would he allow Joe Wilson to have the limelight and shit all over his big PR campaign? ‘Cos Wilson was Poppy’s guy, that’s why, Bush is his mama’s boy — as Arianna noted, he’s a guy born on third base who thinks he’s hit a triple. He can’t talk back to Poppy. Hell, he can’t even talk back to Scowcroft. But he sure could grind Joe Wilson into the ground with a faux-cowboy boot heel.
They’ve tried to argue that this was all Cheney’s doing, but I don’t buy it. This wasn’t the kind of thing Rove needed to “protect” Junior from. It’s the kind of dirty, junior high politics that Junior delights in.
May it come back to haunt him.
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Good Lord, deliver us, and teach us when
We may not, and we may, blind unjust men.
Thanks for the quote, Barking. It’s nice to remember a time when even the blind were so observant.
Your theory about the relationship between Dubya and his dad makes sense to me. Interesting how Poppy chose to be interviewed this week about Bill Clinton. This must be really pissing off little George ….
Former President Bush Reminisces
By MEAD GRUVER, Associated Press Writer Wed Oct 26, 1:03 AM ET
LARAMIE, Wyo. – Former President George H.W. Bush reminisced about his political life Tuesday and said at a fundraiser that he has enjoyed working with former
President Clinton.
“Who would have thought that I would be working with Bill Clinton, of all people?” said Bush, a Republican who teamed up with the Democrat this year to help victims of the Indian Ocean tsunami.
He said he had nothing but praise for Clinton, even though people on the far right have criticized Bush — and people on the far left have criticized Clinton — for their working together.
You are nailing it!
It’s a titanic struggle between the Cheney Neocons and the Bush #41 Globalists … where the Globalists are piling on to get Bush #43 to clean house and preserve Jeb’s option for the Presidency … as well as simply slice and dice Cheney and the Neocons.
The fascinating part is that either side needs the support of the people in order to finally win. And by being caught in their lies, the Neocons are on the ropes. Ain’t democracy grand?
(Cheers)
(Fade to black)
(Roll credits)
Pass the popcorn, please. I’m staying until the credits are done rolling.
CNN is reporting a poll where it is revealed 90% of Americans think the Bush administration has either done something illegal or unethical.
The other 10% have not been paying attention.
Swopa, I think that your analysis is wrong. It is clear from the rhetoric of the 2000 selection for president that Bush was going to Iraq no matter what. His sole motivation is apparently to supplant his Father’s legacy as the number one Bush with his own. I think that the WOT only distracted him from his neat, tidy saddam-wich that he wanted wrapped and ready to go by the 2004 election. If anything, the WOT is a mechanism of Cheney’s construction based on ways to funnel profits to haliburton, and secure both continued military efforts and also additional oil supplies. I’m not a tin foil hat kind of guy, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they are just taking the stuff out of Iraq in tankers right now in the middle of the night.
Considering the aspen nature of this Bush staff (and self-interested, colluding parties), one might get the feeling that newly established talking points which seek to publicly undermine the meaning of any indictments would be absurd: it probably won’t have much impact on the legal system’s ability to prosecute based on evidence, testimony, etc.
However, it would make for great “cover” with the public and media to both avoid an outcry for impeachment hearings . . . and, to “justify” later pardons. In other words, this all seems at least 50% likely to protect GWB from being frog-marched if the Dems make significant gains in 2006. With the added bonus of providing false rationalization for gainful pardons, of course. Given the nature of Jane’s article, I’d consider it more than 50% likely that the President is being protected.
Great analysis, btw.
It should be emphasized that most Ambassadors buy their positions. Joe Wilson is one of only a very few old schoolers who worked his way up and earned his position.
Jr. was born with a silver straw up his nose.
Brain Blob,
I think it was Ann Richards who said this about Shrub: “Poor George, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth.”
Forget dramatists, it’s time to wheel in the psychopathologists.
I’m no psychopathologist, but every once in a while I play one on my blog.
My take on the FBI visits to the neighbors is that
1)these are not their FIRST visits
2)one of the questions might be about willingness to testify
3) sending the threatened or real message that outing her is still on his radar screen for charges.
Make sense?
Jane this is a terrific piece. It really explains the background for the smear. I had no idea Wilson and Scowcroft were so close. I can just imagine W’s frustration. His envy of others who can connect to Poppy as he never could, would be sad if we could just overlook the consequences of his being in a position of power. –There’s pathos in the situation, but tragedy in the consequences!
And what a refreshing foil to W is our man Fitzgerald! Shkaespeare could have done this as a play and the dialogue would have been marvelous– well except for mister dubya, who would need to play the tragic fool.
Good point, Julie. I hadn’t even factored in the oily henchman character who has his own reasons to hate Daddy.
Forget dramatists, it’s time to wheel in the psychopathologists.
valleygirl, thanks for the Bush isn’t a moron, he’s a cunning sociopath link–it’s good to be reminded that he’s not exactly Chance Gardiner, having his ‘Being There’ moment. Also, i’d never heard about his penchant for sticking firecrackers in frogs and throwing them up in the air, just to watch them blow up–great visual of little Georgie, the future prez…
On a different note, while we’re all waiting for Fitzmas to get here, for anybody who has trouble keeping track of the players in this game, I highly recommend RightWeb–I just used their PeopleWeb to look up profiles on a couple of names I saw in here, Otto Reich (the fourth, I believe), and Elliot Abrams (PointedHead, he’s on your list).
Even though I was around for Iran-Contra, i’m amazed at all the players from that scandal that have been recycled, and are an integral part of the current scandal–Back in the day, there was a lot of talk on the margins about the New World Order–it got marginalized and ridiculed into a fringe of Black Helicopter/Ruby Ridge/Posse Comitatus types, but looking back, I still believe there was something there, and we are seeing its current mutant prodigy–this is no paranoid conspiracy theory, it’s the real deal.
That said, and as hopeful as I am that Fitz will start pulling on the string, here’s my take on what’s coming (hopefully) tomorrow–I think he’s being smart, and taking the ‘low hanging fruit,’ on the most concrete charges, to avoid the pitfalls of digging too deep into the conspiracy…at least at the beginning;>
Jane, excellent post, and it’s something I’ve been thinking about for some time.
And don’t forget..it’s very likely there’s little or no love lost between Rove and Poppy. After all, Rove was FIRED during his sting for 41 for…um….leaking. It’s easy to imagine Karl not only being Junior’s enabler but egging him on about how daddy likes Jebby best. And by god, we’re both gonna show him!
Oh, man… PLEASE don’t let Rove skate on this! The fucker will be absolutely insufferable after this if he weasels out of it.
Fitzgerald has also dispatched FBI agents to comb the CIA agent’s residential neighborhood in Washington, asking neighbors again whether they were aware — before her name appeared in a syndicated column — that the agent, Valerie Plame, worked for the CIA.
So this must be a defense for someone, some perp. “But everyone knew she was CIA.” (Plausible deniability? laughter)
It seems a bit odd that Fitz would be pursuing this at such a late hour. Given his penchant for hooking little fish first, however, it may be just another mundane task in a larger sweep for big fish.
Sangemon-I’d gladly wait another couple of months if it meant exposing the ENTIRE pre-war lie machine.
Me too.
I’d be all atwitter, but I could live like that. I’d bust my refresh button, but I could live with it.
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I hate to say it but it may be that he keeps the indictments he already has under seal and just keeps going for awhile. That would be tough on us but even tougher on the WH.
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OtisIsHungry -
As nerve-wracking as this is for us, it must be absoulte torture for BushCo. I’d gladly wait another couple of months if it meant exposing the ENTIRE pre-war lie machine. That would be so sweet. These guys would be completely fucked. All of them. Bush would never recover and his presidency would be over.
I’ve always thought that George W. Bush was nothing but a front man. He fronts for corporate and big money interests, powerul interests, evil interests, interests on a much higher plane than just Republicans and Democrats. These are the multinational oil barons, PNAC, the Carlysle Group, the Saudi royal family. GW plays a role for them, he reads their scripts. In 2000 these Oligarchists arranged to rig the election and place their puppet in the White House. Until recently his presidency has been largely succesful for his corporate masters. But I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that once Fitzgerald blows up his spot and he becomes a liabilty for these powerful interests, once his presidency becomes a burden and a hinderance to the advancement of their agenda, they will find a way to get rid of him. Make no mistake, even GW Bush is expendable.
http://progressivereaction.blogspot.com/
Booman Tribe:
Tucker Carlson, from D.C., just appeared on Scarborough Country to promo his show. Carlson expects to announce the indictments during his show at 11pm ET/8pm PT, MSNBC. Carlson said that D.C. is abuzz with rumors, including that Rove won’t be among those indicted.
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Rove & Libby “supporters” essentially defending them by saying that Karl and Scooter found someone else to do the actual leaking of Plame’s identity to Novak.
Um, guys? Under the US Sentencing Guidelines this just makes Rove & Libby “organizers, managers, leaders” of the criminal conspiracy and bumps up their sentencing range a few points. But, by all means, please feel free to help, and speak into the microphone would’ja?
Josh Marshall has more forgery analysis, from the Brits point of view, at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..006833.php
Rove & Libby “supporters” essentially defending them by saying that Karl and Scooter found someone else to do the actual leaking of Plame’s identity to Novak.
Which, as I’ve just noted at Needlenose, is kind of like pleading innocent to murder because you hired a hit man.
touché!
hmmmmm … Mark Kleiman points out that Fitz’s investigators asking Valerie’s neighbors if they had any idea she was CIA (they didn’t) would have no bearing whatsoever on charges of perjury or obstruction … only on crimes relating to the actual outing of Plame.
Why would he send them out unless he were planning to bring indictments on the core issue?
verrrry interesting!
Charges on these issues would catch old Kay & the other spin-meisters with their pants down.
The CBS Evening News excerpt transcribed by Think Progress has Rove & Libby “supporters” essentially defending them by saying that Karl and Scooter found someone else to do the actual leaking of Plame’s identity to Novak.
Which, as I’ve just noted at Needlenose, is kind of like pleading innocent to murder because you hired a hit man.
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I hate to say it but it may be that he keeps the indictments he already has under seal and just keeps going for awhile. That would be tough on us but even tougher on the WH.
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OtisIsHungry -
As nerve-wracking as this is for us, it must be absoulte torture for BushCo. I’d gladly wait another couple of months if it meant exposing the ENTIRE pre-war lie machine. That would be so sweet. These guys would be completely fucked. All of them. Bush would never recover and his presidency would be over.
I’ve always thought that George W. Bush was nothing but a front man. He fronts for corporate and big money interests, powerul interests, evil interests, interests on a much higher plane than just Republicans and Democrats. These are the multinational oil barons, PNAC, the Carlysle Group, the Saudi royal family. GW plays a role for them, he reads their scripts. In 2000 these Oligarchists arranged to rig the election and place their puppet in the White House. Until recently his presidency has been largely succesful for his corporate masters. But I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that once Fitzgerald blows up his spot and he becomes a liabilty for these powerful interests, once his presidency becomes a burden and a hinderance to the advancement of their agenda, they will find a way to get rid of him. Make no mistake, even GW Bush is expendable.
http://progressivereaction.blogspot.com/
new NYTimes story: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10…..r=homepage
For more depth on the forgeries timeline and history see billmon at http://billmon.org/archives/002295.html
They’re druggin Ol President Clusterfuck up and draggin him out to give the same ol lame speeches to the same ol hand picked audiences again- to make things look NORMAL..
Clusterfuck now requires 5,000 milligrams just to make it to the plane.
while surfing around I noticed on Huffingtonblog that John Conyers is asking folks to sign his letter demanding no pardons:
http://johnconyers.com/index.a…..74DE91D%7D
Think of it as a little Fitzmas card to Junior
BWAHAHAHAHA…
As usual, redstate.org is good for a laugh. Check out this front-paged tidbit:” There is one name every person I have talked to has said will not get indicted. I hate to disappoint the left, but if the rumor mill is to be believed, Karl Rove, yet again, gets off.”
Why do I think the rumor mill is one Karl Rove? BWHAHAHAHAHAEHEHEHHEHAHAHA
Fredo, he’s smart, he can handle things. Jesus Christ, that we are actually suffering the consequences of Fredo.
from Drudge:
SPECIAL COUNSEL SEEKS MORE INFO IN CIA PROBE: NYT /// ‘ Fitzgerald is still to be trying to determine whether Rove had been fully forthcoming about his contacts… Fitzgerald spent the day in Washington and summoned his team, including his chief FBI investigator, Jack Eckenrode, for what appeared to be a final round of discussions about how to proceed’… MORE…
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Jane
By Jove You’ve got it!
You are truly My Fair Lady
Amazing piece of political puzzle solving
You’ve cross a Realpolitik Rubrik Cube Rubicon with this latest musing.
Will you run away with me and join the Circus Maximus?
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Roll Call quote: Akers adds: “The rumor floating around Patton Boggs Tuesday was that there “may” be no indictments this week because Fitzgerald “may” need to seek an extension from the presiding judge to wrap up his investigation of Flamegate (or Plamegate for those of us who arenÂ’t Judy Miller).”
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But the irradication of this pathology is gunna involve RADICAL surgery and the recovery is gunna be a real battle…if the patient is a democratic republic, then the odds of survival are not good.
I’ve been sayin fer a long time now that we are in a BIG tub a bad stuff here and the worst ain’t here yet.
Letz temper our glee here with the sober understandin’ that we are in the fight of our lives now folks.
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NorskeFlamethrower -
Point taken, but if this is as big as I think it will be it will the first step in the people’s repudiation of this fascist regime.
(see http://progressivereaction.blo…..turns.html)
The FBI story reads to me like either a last minute attempt to raise questions about Wilson’s credibility or Fitz making extra sure there are no post-indictment surprises – say a nosy neighbor who the WH drags in front of the media saying “what secret? everybody on the block knew she was fishy”
During the wait, the Hersh article that Billmon links to on the Niger issue is very worth reading – here’s the link:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/…..027fa_fact
They’re druggin Ol President Clusterfuck up and draggin him out to give the same ol lame speeches to the same ol hand picked audiences again- to make things look NORMAL..
Clusterfuck now requires 5,000 milligrams just to make it to the plane.
Just to expand on JeralynÂ’s statement in the thread below:
“Also, a putative defendant may be able to cure a perjurious statement before the grand jury by going back and ‘fessing up, if it was not particularly material to the crime, as Rove may have done with his Matthew Cooper conversation, but that option does not appear in the false statement or general perjury statute.”
Rove’s going back and fessing up may not be sufficient to “cure” a perjurious statement.
If, for example, Rove originally testified to the GJ that he and Matt Cooper talked primarily about welfare during their conversation or that he talked with two reporters about Plame during that time period, but referred to her only as Wilson’s wife and never supplied information about her status as an undercover CIA operative, the fact the he offered go back and answer any questions that might have arisen from Cooper’s testimony after Cooper testified, may not meet the statutory defense to a perjury charge. RoveÂ’s offer may well have occurred after the falsity of his earlier testimony was exposed by Cooper.
The question of what Rove may have said in his four GJ appearances that go to materiality and irreconciliable contradiction still remains, but it does seem the time for a curative statements had elapsed.
From USC Title 18, § 1623(d):
False declarations before grand jury or court
(d) Where, in the same continuous court or grand jury proceeding in which a declaration is made, the person making the declaration admits such declaration to be false, such admission shall bar prosecution under this section if, at the time the admission is made, the declaration has not substantially affected the proceeding, or it has not become manifest that such falsity has been or will be exposed.
Can anyone else see:
http://www.jameswolcott.com/
or is it just me that gets a blank page?…note: I’m not paranoid just wondering who’s out to get me….
Re:Roll Call story–We’ve heard he’s been “born ready” for awhile now. So, what would Fitz need more time for NOW . . ? Well, the best reason is so he can utilize the flippers he must be wrapping up just now. The best way a cooperator’s cooperation is useful to Fitz is to get their information into a GJ to support an indictment of someone up higher on the food chain. If a bunch of people have only now just had the “come to jesus” talk with Fitz, then he’s got to have a GJ working to use their “substantial assistance.”
I hate to say it but it may be that he keeps the indictments he already has under seal and just keeps going for awhile. That would be tough on us but even tougher on the WH.
mercury: Fitz knows all hell is about to break loose, so he’s making sure he’s got an air tight case.
“There is a keen competition going on between the ne’er-do-well son and his patriarchal father that is positively Shakespearean.”
The notion that the Bushes are subjects for high art is contemptible.
These people are nothing more than low-life scum. They have no redeeming features.
They do not deserve anything more than our contempt, and they certainly don’t deserve consideration as characters in high drama.
They might be rich, but they just aren’t classy enough.
How about this explanation? Fitzgerald sent out FBI investigators to canvass the neighborhood because he wants to signal to all the bad actors that they are still open to espionage and treason charges (i.e., he hasn’t given up on charging people for leaking). He doesn’t really need to talk to the neighbors and he doesn’t leak, but he still gets his message out. Time to cop a plea.
NYBri – I think Fitz is just taking a belt and suspenders approach to this. The wingnuts put out the idea that Plame’s CIA identity was “public knowledge, even her neighbors knew.” Now, no one believes this, but may as well have the info in pocket to refute the claim going in. Nothing more than dotting his i’s and crossing his t’s.
If Roll Call is correct as RawStory is reporting and Fitz needs more time, I am going to POP!
Wondering…Okay, it’s been reported that the FBI is canvassing Wilson’s neighborhood asking quesitons. Now this seems late in the game.
How about this…the GJ met today (reportedly) and Fitz would have spoken with them about the bulge in his pocket.
What if the GJ said, “Hey, Fitz…not enough. we want xxxx. what’s keeping us from having xxxx? Fitz says, well we would need to check out yyyy. GJ says, well, fuck, Fitz. Go check it out.
SO the FBI snoopage tonight might be at the request of the GJ. Rmember, they are the ones calling the shots here, really.
Thoughts?
Jane, I’ve been blogsurfing for news and analysis ever since Bush took the White House. You’re now at the top of my list. Thanks for having your thinking cap on every day, and early, and even when you’re emptying the dishwasher.
I just read something at Daily Kos about Fitz dispatching FBI men to the Wilsons’ neighborhood to query folks as to possible knowledge of Plame’s CIA status…the notion being that he may be seeking to charge Bushies for the leak, in addition to the coverup.
Now I thought that Fitz had MADE the case long ago — like 2004 –and the past months of Miller/Cooper drama had just been corroborating stuff and pressure tactics.
Anyone have a take on this? I’m hoping for some meaty charges here, and I’m confused.
Monk – the fitz tracker is funny – I wish I could stay up to see where else the guy shows up…
As much as I think that Colin Powell has more scruples than the rest of them, I wouldn’t be sure about counting on him. He wasn’t completely full of truths during Iran-Contra. OTOH- Reagan didn’t dismiss or undermine him.
Is this an opportunity for semantics to finally contribute something constructive? If the plea bargains are returned by “information” and not “indictment”, then 1-5 “indictments” may be good news, numerically speaking, given the speculation on the number of those who have turned and pled.
1watt–
Doesn’t that let him off the hook in this instance?
Swopa said:
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Colin Powell and Ari Fleischer were on Air Force One with Dubya in Africa the week before Novak’s column, so they’d be in a position to say if the Fuckup-in-Chief knew anything about the anti-Wilson effort — and neither has any special reason to cover up for the WH anymore.
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Swopa -
Didn’t Powell say in a TV interview a week or so ago that he’d “fully cooperated” with Fitzgerald’s investigation?
http://progressivereaction.blogspot.com/
Thanks, Jane. I think it is important to save JR’s ass now because Jebby Bush will be running in 2008 so the bush name needs to be saved NOW.
If you read Wilkersons LAT or Scowcroft’s interview w/ NYKer, they both tried hard to steer away from JR. Darth Cheney did it.
J. Thomason |
I’ve been saying since 2000: Boosh is too stupid to be president.
They’re druggin Ol President Clusterfuck up and draggin him out to give the same ol lame speeches to the same ol hand picked audiences again- to make things look NORMAL..
Clusterfuck now requires 5,000 milligrams just to make it to the plane.
Jane: thank you! this post was so smokin’ good! the visuals it conjures up are great. i think i’ll read it to the cats! gotta go. “Commander in Chief” is on. (unfortunately, the plots are dull compared to real life these days.)
Jane
By Jove You’ve got it!
You are truly My Fair Lady
Amazing piece of political puzzle solving
You’ve cross a Realpolitik Rubrik Cube Rubicon with this latest musing.
Will you run away with me and join the Circus Maximus?
.
The vipers will all pose as lambs as soon as the shit starts flyin- and it’s about shit storm time.
Don’t matter Boosh will take the coward’s way out and pardon everybody. It’s his M.O.
In other words, accepting Rumsfeldian epistemology, given the pervasiveness of things Wilson with the White House Staff, in the Department of State, in the Vice Presidents Office, in the intelligence community and in the Washington press corps, the salient questions should be “what did the President NOT know, and when did he NOT know it?!” should it not?
Re: obsessed 5:53 PM
You are gunna get all yer wishes but jest remember thatz jest the beginnin…at some point this whole thing iz gunna cease bein’ a spectator sport.
Good analogy rw…but maybe a better one involves the relationship beween a battle and the war. As a Viet vet who was on campus and in the streets from Cambodia ta Watergate, I dispair that we will win the battle and lose the war.
Sounds as if Bush got himself the right sort of guy.
Kinda expected a conspiracy charge eh?
Monk–
Thank you. Comic relief much needed–and appreciated!
Don’t forget that Dim Son hired Jame E.Sharp, a a personal outside counsel for the Plame investigation.
According to findlaw profile, Sharp’s practice catetories are:
West Practice Categories:
RICO Act, International Transactions, Grand Jury Proceedings, Criminal Fraud, Federal, White Collar Crimes, Election & Campaign Law, Government Relations & Lobbying, Legislative Practice, etc etc.
Martin Sieff UPI
Congressional sources told United Press International that National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley and former White House press spokesman Ari Fleischer could be indicted as well.
Other sources told UPI that between one to five indictments would be issued and that the subjects of the indictments had already received notification of them Tuesday.
… White House sources have told UPI that any senior figure that is indicted would resign their position.
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torpor – you’ve inspired me to include the full quote – seems particularly apropos.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend’s or of thine own were: any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee. Neither can we call this a begging of misery, or a borrowing of misery, as though we were not miserable enough of ourselves, but must fetch in more from the next house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbours. Truly it were an excusable covetousness if we did, for affliction is a treasure, and scarce any man hath enough of it.
- John Donne
Jane:
This is really one of the best pieces I’ve seen in all of Left Blogistan on W, generally, and recent TraitorGate events in particular. Thanks for this. You know, I see there’s a dramatic tragedy in this, and we are the chorus.
OtisIsHungry
I couldn’t agree more on both counts.
Was the Rove “colleague” in the L.A. Times piece his lawyer?
Raw Story addendum: Added in second revision: “The sources said, however, they wouldn’t rule out charges of conspiracy.” As a point of clarification, the original version of this article didn’t intend to preclude charges beyond lying to investigators. Again, it is important to note that the decision-making process on the nature of the charges is still ongoing.
firedoglake people…
The FITZMAS TRACKER is up over at Inflatable Dartboard.
http://darted.blogspot.com
We’re tracking Fitzgerald around DC tonight and giving updates while he gets ready to unload his bag. The tracker was just activated, so check back often!
-MONK
Still think that Cheney will be indicted( or plea bargain) along with a slew of others.
Hopin Bush is an unindicted co-conspirator.
OtisIsHungry — thanks, much appreciated.
Wilson46201: As long as we’re playing fantasy indictments, I would personally take Bush at the expense of all the others, just so I don’t have to see his face and hear his voice anymore. Strategically, however, I think Rove is the most important one to get rid of. In terms of pure spite, the ones I’d really like to see get their comeuppance (aside from Bush & Rove) are Bolton, Matalin, Hughes, and of course Cheney.
Upthread someone mentioned Bushie blowing up frogs. Here’s a link:
Bush isn’t a Moron, He’s a Cunning Sociopath
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Jane:
This is really one of the best pieces I’ve seen in all of Left Blogistan on W, generally, and recent TraitorGate events in particular. Thanks for this. You know, I see there’s a dramatic tragedy in this, and we are the chorus.
Norske- well OK- but that’s like when you win the conference championship- someone reminds you that the big game is still ahead- true- but don’t spoil the moment.
“Poor George,he was born with a silver foot in his mouth”–Ann Richardson.
But who was she talking about??? Poppy! Seems to be a family trait. What are the chances that Shrub(who can’t form a coherent sentence and has frequent bouts of Freudian slippage) actually got through the questioning by Fitz without screwing up???
Just a litte pre-Fitzmas game drag the dope or let him fall;
http://www.yeeguy.com/freefall/
Yeah, Wilson was low key in public, writing oped pieces in a couple papers, then anonymously with the NYTimes and WaPo, all the while getting under Junior’s skin big time. The pushback at Wilson has Little Boots prints all over it. He’s no innocent.
My guess is that PF will finish with the GJ on Wednesday, he’ll send them home, and Thursday morning will be Dooms Day for the Bush regime.
That’s what I’m hoping for anyway! ;)
One minor detail-Wilson’s direct slam at Jr. was on July 6 (Jr’s birthday, seriously!) not the 8th, 2003.
And two years later, that’s the exact same day JudyJudyJudy went to jail for covering for these idiots.
Taday’s revelations are like an initial CT scan. We now have the complete outline of the Traitorgate cancer: the diliberate distruction of a CIA operation (Brewster Jennings) which would blow the lid off the stratedgy of the neofascists since the frist days of 2001. The only question now is of fillin’ in the details. The key to what we are gunna find out Thursday and Friday is what is in the CIA damage assessment…if they lost assets and/or agents this could very well be a death-penalty case.
To those who are agonizin’ over how many and what kind of indictments…remember all the plea bargains hafta be charged first, so we are in for at LEAST 15-20 indictments and most a the accused are gunna get multiple charges. There will be many purgery/obstruction and conspiracy charges and at least 2 er 3 espionage-type.
But the irradication of this pathology is gunna involve RADICAL surgery and the recovery is gunna be a real battle…if the patient is a democratic republic, then the odds of survival are not good.
I’ve been sayin fer a long time now that we are in a BIG tub a bad stuff here and the worst ain’t here yet.
Letz temper our glee here with the sober understandin’ that we are in the fight of our lives now folks.
Pachacutec — On Hardball this evening, John Podesta said that Hadley and/or others at the NSC and WH had been told three separate times that the Niger documents were not credible and were not to be relied upon before the SOTU. One has to wonder how long it will be before the Swopa empty suit theory makes the rounds in the MSM. This is all so infuriating, and so sad.
Plame’s exact role remains understandably vague, it’s been reported that she worked for WINPAC and also that she worked for the Operations directorate, ie the sneaky beaks.
I believe this was mooted as a key error in the leak given to Miller. I don’t think it was disproved that her work involves NPT thought, wherever she sat within the agency.
Jane—This is excellent. Great story, turn of phrase and really entertaining. So glad I found you and Redd.
CNN is reporting a poll where it is revealed 90% of Americans think the Bush administration has either done something illegal or unethical.
Wow. That’s got to hurt. Especially since no indictments have been handed down.
obsessed — If someone reaches a plea deal, they can be indicted, but are more likely to be charged by an “information” — which is essentially a prosecutorial representation to the court of the conduct alleged, but without having to go through the grand jury process to get the charge & plea. You see that generally where you have some substantial cooperation, because it’s usually a deal that is lesser than what could have been charged (hence the incentive to plead and flip). My brain is just too tired to go through the wherefores on the rest at the moment, but suffice it to say that anyone making false statements to the prosecutor or the investigators could be subject to obstruction charges, so long as the false statement is material to the crime investigated. If the President were to have done that, the Special Prosecutor has the option of sending a referral (sorry don’t remember the exact term on this) to the Congress for Impeachment, based on the alleged criminal conduct. HTH!
Here’s hoping for extra big Fitzmas presents under y’alls tree for the extraordinary work you’ve been doing. One of my favorite blogs.
Doesn’t it seem like perhaps the administration got a twofer with Plame’s outing? Bush got to satisfy his own petty vindictiveness–as you point out, Jane–but Cheney virtually eliminated an arm of the Company that could very well have put paid to his lies in the run up to the war. I mean, wasn’t Plame working on non-proliferation? Wasn’t that her turf?
“Ask not for whom the spider barks, it barks for thee.”
Well done, Barking.
Correction
The Italian news report said today that the SSMI chief who shopped the forged documents to Hadley did so after failing with the CIA, and after the forgeries had been exposed in international intelligence circles.
Via timelines, this occured after the CIA got the reference to Niger pulled from Bush’s Cincinnati speech, but before SOTU. The forged and exposed documents were used by Hadley as an excuse and pushed into the SOTU.
In other words, that the document was a forgery was already known in the White House before Bush’s SOTU address.
loadie?
http://www.totse.com/en/ego/no…..ike03.html
“Other sources told UPI that between one to five indictments would be issued and that the subjects of the indictments had already received notification of them Tuesday.”
this bumms me out…as little as 1 and only as much as 5? crap, i was hoping for bigtime numbers..
IAM–Thanks- Goopers have been hanging their hat on this additional source for some time- and it has been reported that it was the same stuff passed over- like buying a second copy of the times to verify the first copy- but I haven’t seen a clean rebuttal.
if I had a vote in the matter, I’d trade three of any WHIG members (except Cheney and Rove) for one John Bolton indictment !
Gridlock – 4 in 10 think some administration officials acted illegally and another 4 in 10 think unethical but not illegal?
Considering that 90% of the country has not been following the details of this story, these are very good numbers. Watch what happens after the indictments come out.
Interesting new piece from LATimes:
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..7383.story
Fitzgerald Focuses Again on Rove
By Tom Hamburger, Richard B. Schmitt and Peter Wallsten
Times Staff Writers
3:38 PM PDT, October 25, 2005
WASHINGTON — As his investigation nears a conclusion, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has returned his attention to White House adviser Karl Rove, interviewing a Rove colleague with detailed questions about contacts that President Bush’s close aide had with reporters in the days leading up to the outing of a covert CIA officer.
Fitzgerald has also dispatched FBI agents to comb the CIA agent’s residential neighborhood in Washington, asking neighbors again whether they were aware — before her name appeared in a syndicated column — that the agent, Valerie Plame, worked for the CIA.
The questioning, described by lawyers familiar with the case and by the neighbors, occurred as Fitzgerald was thought to be readying indictments in the long-running inquiry into the leak of Plame’s identity. It is a felony to knowingly identify an undercover agent, and the renewed questions this week suggested that the prosecutor remained focused on the breach of that secrecy.
The inquiry has reached deep into the White House and focuses on Rove and Vice President Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby.
A deputy prosecutor called Rove’s colleague this afternoon and interviewed him in depth about statements Rove may have made to reporters about the case, a lawyer familiar with the case said.
“It appeared to me the prosecutor was trying to button up any holes that were remaining,” the lawyer said.
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UPI: If Rove were indicted and forced to resign, the White House would effectively be decapitated
Pretty much says it all — a statement of fact from UPI that Bush is a figurehead.
Someone mentioned pleas. Clearly Fitzgerald has gotten a lot of cooperation. Is it possible one to five indictments go out tomorrow, and then pleas are announced Thursday, in addition to the one to five indictments? If guys like Wurmser, Hannah, maybe Libby and a couple others made deals, that leaves room for indictments of guys like Cheney, Hadley and Bolton. I get the feeling Bolton would be a wildly popular indictment.
That was a great piece Jane. Gave me a chill.
‘Twas Jim Hightower, former TX Secy of Ag, who said the line about being born on third base and thinks he hit a triple — and he said it about 41, George H.W. Fell he should get proper credit. As for George W., he had a pinch hitter and a pinch runner do his homer for him.
Now we know, if the journalistic reports and Libby’s notes can be trusted, that indeed Wilson and his wife were being talked up as follows:
1) Tenet to Cheney and then Cheney to Libby;
2) Libby to Rove;
3) Powell to Cheney and Bush (this via Andrea Mitchell with Cheney showing unusual interest);
4) Wurmser to Libby;
5) possible conversations between Novak and Ari; and,
6) of course there are the undetailed conversations within the WHIG. Couple these circumstances with those lain out by Ms. Jane and one has a picture where, though many would want to attribute as much, the President would have to operate with a kind of debilitating ineptitude if he didn’t know of the Administration Wilson strategy which apparently will give rise to the forthcoming indictments. The President may not have a particular depth and breadth of knowledge but we do have some reasonable evidence that he is able to apprehend the things that are happening in his immediate purview. Circumstantial as these points are can one but not doubt that he did know what was going on?
This is from an interview with Ray McGovern (ex CIA) by Brad Friedman on BradShow:
RM: Yeah, my guess is that he (= GHW Bush) looks at the situation and says, “My goodness, this is not my White House either.” I think the man is torn between his loyalty to his son and his basic knowledge of what’s best for the country, and I suppose he’s really distraught that the son never read his memoirs in which he talked about what would happen if we invaded Iraq and tried to get rid of Saddam, because this all played out like clockwork. What George H.W. Bush and General Scowcroft, his National Security Advisor, wrote in their joint book was the reason why, they explained, why they did not go after Saddam. And even Dick Cheney, ironically enough, right after the first Gulf War in ’91 was asked out in Seattle , he was asked at a meeting, “Why didn’t you just go after Saddam and end the whole thing?” And do you know what he said? He said, “we thought it wouldn’t be so easy and you know we asked ourselves how many dead US servicemen is Saddam Hussein worth” and the answer came through loud and clear, “not many.” Now, that’s 1991, what’s changed over the past 10 years?
BF: What has changed?
RM: Cheney has become an oil man. Cheney knows that the world is running out of oil. Cheney knows that for the first time in our country’s history we’re importing more than half of the oil that we need. Cheney knows that Iraq has the second largest oil deposits in the world. Cheney knows that Saddam Hussein is on his back militarily, and Cheney knows that Iraq is ruled by a ‘ruthless dictator,’ so go get ‘em.
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AND this is the important quote: From George H.W. Bush and Brent Scowcroft, A World Transformed (1998), pp. 489-90:
Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in “mission creep,” and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, there was no viable “exit strategy” we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations’ mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different–and perhaps barren–outcome.
We discussed at length the idea of forcing Saddam personally to accept the terms of Iraqi defeat at Safwan just north of the Kuwait-Iraq border–and thus the responsibility and political consequences for the humiliation of such a devastating defeat. In the end, we asked ourselves what we would do if he refused. We concluded that we would be left with two options: continue the conflict until he backed down, or retreat from our demands. The latter would have sent a disastrous signal. The former would have split our Arab colleagues from the coalition and, de facto, forced us to change our objectives.
http://hnn.us/articles/631.html
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questions for legal team:
1) are you guys billing us by the hour for all this?
2) if you make a plea bargain with somebody (say, Ari, Hannah, or Wurmser), is an “indictment” still issued?
3) if you make a testimony agreement with someone, is the crime that they escaped indictment for documented in any way? For example, if you’ve got Ari for leaking to Novak, but agree not to charge him in return for his testimony against whomever, will we ever know?
4) in the interview of Bush by Fitz, which Jeralyn has now explained has just as much potential to incriminate him as testimony under oath, how likely is it that Fitz wouldn’t have asked him at least a few things where the response was either a lie, or a direct incrimination of one or more of his subordinates?
5) we know that Bush could be named an unindicted co-conspirator, but could he be named an “unindicted maker of false statements”?
rw, Josh is just going to say what eripose at Left Coaster has already deduced, that MI6 was given the same white paper, based on the forgeries, that the Bushies got. The Italians sent out a “verbatim account” of the forgeries to every intel in the big countries, so they mostly didn’t know it was based on the forgeries until they were debunked. By that time, war had begun. Wilson made everyone take a second look at their intel, and sho’ nuff, they realized the truth. Blair was too invested in the war to admit it, and in the US, Condi said, “the info didn’t bubble up” to their level. But it did, actually, only Stephen Hadley suppressed it to get the 16 words into the SOTU. Now we know the rest of the story. So when the Bushies yell “everyone believed Saddam had WMD’s” it’s kinda true until everyone realized the story was based on a hoax. That’s why everyone ended up being against the war.
This is like fishin in the ocean- you’ve got something on- but no idea how big it is.
I put the champagne in to chill though- VERY nice bottle.
From UPI:
Other sources told UPI that between one to five indictments would be issued and that the subjects of the indictments had already received notification of them Tuesday.
In other words, someone at UPI reads blogs.
Jane – you are so on the money with this post.
5&dime – I don’t think Cheney was present for Bush’s interview with Fitzgerald, if that’s what you mean. Wasn’t it some sort of congressional testimony?
that was for the 9/11 commission.
Given what we know now, what was the point of having W ‘testify’ with Cheney present?
manys, the Bushs are done.
NPR @8pm EST
Bush trying to win support for war, did not mention the 2000
Suicide car bombs
Fitz wrapping up, looking at VP, Libby, Rove, McClellan silent
nomention of indictiment, press conf, nada
like Trina V on Hardball repeating … connect the dots, 2000 dead today and Cheney fabricated reasons to go to war .. that’s the line to repeat to all who ask.
Seems to me the BushCo crew keep trying to complicate the issue – what’s legal, etc … our response has to be “they lied, 2000 dead” – keep it simple – this is how BushCo have gotten so far and we have to be careful not to complicate the issue for folks who are not spending all their time sussing it out.
Barking….I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. They didn’t want the true story to come out. They lied to go to war and they were afraid of getting caught. There is more to this story and in the next few months we will see it unfold. The Bush legacy will be that he was unfit to command and one of our most unethical Presidents. Watergate will pale in comparison to Traitorgate
And here I am, thinking that Dubya was just the warm up for Jeb (the *real* presidential Bushkin). We’ll see how this all affects that.
Maureen Dowd’s Shakespearian comparison seems more and more apposite. Or as Jon Stewart put it to her, Cheney is Darth Vader.
Me-
We need you to weigh in on this.
Any thoughts?
Like father, like son. Losers both. Traitors both.
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This all presumes that this hack of an outing was done primarily to discredit Joe Wilson. It jusn’t doesn’t make sense. Yah, his wife got him the job, nanny nany billy goat… I think this was much more of a premeditated final act in an escalating volley of Pentagon vs. CIA brinkmanship. Cheney et al were getting nervous about the growing leaks from the CIA and they must have had intimate knowledge of the Brewster Jennings group. Both Cheney and Libby were busting their chops to come up with evidence of WMD and they weren’t delivering. Probably breathing down the very necks of analysts and operatives at WINPAC with which Valerie Wilson worked if not Mrs. Wilson herself. They dropped this bomb to silence the whole lot of them to make sure that they didn’t expose the real truth behind the forgeries and to prevent them from further exposing the depth of their lies to the lead up to war.
Drudge’s headline should read “Cheney unveils invisible bowling ball; Bush unimpressed”
So, wait! Didn’t the Brits have some other source of intelligence for the Iraq-Niger claim? Don’t believe it. More coming on that this evening
Josh Marshall
Does anyone believe the Ken Lay defense will work for Preznit in Traitorgate? How can you be Preznit and so uninvolved, so distant ? And with basically everyone in your employ. It would be better to claim mental illness or exhaustion, otherwise he is just a sham (I know we know that he is, but these are THEIR strategies).
Drudge seems to have flipped out- developing
“(CNN) — Only one in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials did nothing illegal or unethical in connection with the leaking of a CIA operative’s identity, according to a national poll released Tuesday.
Thirty-nine percent said some administration officials acted illegally in the matter, in which the identity of Valerie Plame, a CIA operative, was revealed.
The same percentage of respondents in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll said Bush administration officials acted unethically, but did nothing illegal.”
Bah. 4 in 10 think unethical, but not illegal? Is this a good or bad number, coming pre-unsealing as it does? Annoyingly it tracks very closely to “would you vote for Bush today” respondants in another CNN poll.
I think we’re going to be surprised by one of two things very soon: How low-level any indictments are, or how succesfully the Rovian spin machines work their magic following major indictments.
I wonder if Bush is getting any sleep tonight.
Jane – I think you have some great revelations about Bush 41 and 43, and the competition between Wilson and George. I wonder if this was something happened after the fact. I don’t think Bush 43 would want to harm his son. I think he and the party elders realized that Cheney and the Neocons were mostly responsible for the disaster in Iraq and they plotted a careful campaign to shift the blame onto the VP’s office. In the end it was crisis management. But I also agree there were a lot of oedipal issues as well which complicated the whole situation.
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Gridlock: He wasn’t smirking. He was pissed off and frustrated when he said it, as if he was perplexed why the very press that had been accomplice to the crime was bothering him by pursuing it.
My wife just heard something about indictments on NPR- she got out of the car just as the announcement came though. Nothing on their website.
I’ve always dismissesd the Oedipal narrative as a Dowdesque distraction, but that was a good case that its pertinent at least to Treasongate.
“But W wasn’t all that concerned, remember him pointing out to the press how seldom these leakers are caught. Ahem.”
Was he smirking when he said this, or shortly afterwards? A picture speaks a thousand words…
Jeffrey Schneider, Vice President of Communication for ABC News denied a claim from the conservative Drudge Report that any reporter had called the White House to say that Dick Cheney’s chief of staff “Scooter” Libby had been indicted, RAW STORY can report.
“Absolutely not true,” Schneider said from his cell phone Tuesday evening.
“We have no such reporting,” he added
Damn Jane you rock……
……ummmm I would say ‘You go girl’ but do not wanna appear paternalistic…or you could be a guy?…….either way…
Sweet little narrative, has all the elements of a truthful ring to all that conjecture….
Special blog you guys got going….
Man I truly hope you guys do take back your country, it has been sadly missing in action….
Especially when so many dangers confront us all……
We are all in this together or haven’t you guys realized it yet?….
Nationalism is an infantile diease, the measles of mankind
–Albert Einstein
Screw Drudge. With the GJ set to expire on Friday, just about anyone could make up a story about indictments being handed down this week and have an excellent chance of being right.
Drudge now has his story down- kinda funny.
Jane, I’m glad you said what I’ve been thinking and muttering for months. Are you going to go as far as to say the third man is not Mr. X, but Mr. W? I think this has all the personality traits of Jr: prickly, reckless and arrogant (leakers will be taken care of — with bonuses, heh-heh). It’s The Godfather as Management 101. Only Freddo didn’t get all the nuances…
I think Rove and Libby were trotted out to provide insulation just in case questions were asked. But W wasn’t all that concerned, remember him pointing out to the press how seldom these leakers are caught. Ahem.
Jane and ReddHead, thanks for the amazing work you’ve put into this. I hope I won’t be fired for not working for the last two weeks!
Here is at least one of the issues I don’t get. What is there of Preznit to save? The saying, don’t throw good money after bad applies to politics too. What is there to save after a figurative nuclear explosion with the Preznit being ground zero? I will believe that Scowcroft and Baker et alia are smarter than the soon to be indicted, and probably lots better people, but isn’t it all too little too late.
Of course, if Libby flipped (do the timings of the Gj testimonies support this? I’ve never seen a comprehensive timeline..) he won’t be indicted, will he? He’ll be entering a plea instead.
It always puzzled me why the “Clinton gave me the bed” story had the legs it did. It’s no surprise, on a plane with one bed and two presidents that the 80 year old one got the bed. Perhaps poppy tried subtlety first, and is only now having to resort to out and out gunboat diplomacy.
Yes I think so, rw. Drudge originally just had the “double source” quote about Libby, then it turned out to be something else once Drudge added the rest.
Scowcroft- just read a substantial summary of the Scowcroft story.
He didn’t write it- it was an interview- and he says that he didn’t want it to run now during traitorgate- but it is.
Sounds like Scowcroft has been on the outs with the White House for some time- and that what he has to say has not been kept secret. Great stuff though!
rawstory
ABC NEWS DENIES DRUDGE LIBBY CLAIM…
I think Drudge made it up and rawstory briefly ran with it.
Colin Powell and Ari Fleischer were on Air Force One with Dubya in Africa the week before Novak’s column, so they’d be in a position to say if the Fuckup-in-Chief knew anything about the anti-Wilson effort — and neither has any special reason to cover up for the WH anymore.
It isn’t the kind of thing Powell and Bush would discuss, and nobody knows what’s up with Ari at this point. He could easily be a target himself.
Check out Drudge- he says that ABC called the White House and wanted their comment on a double sourced story that Libby had been indicted. They claimed that they were going with the story in any event.
Drudge says that the White House refused to confirm and “knew right away” that ABC was bluffing. ABC didn’t go with the story on the East Coast news.
Beats me- but there you are. Could be why the story went up and down so fast at rawnews.
Do you think Bush41, through Scowcroft and probably Powell/Armitage/Wilkerson as well, is trying to sacrifice Cheney and Von Rumsfeld to save his son, no matter how much it might not be appreciated?
Yes, I absolutely do. But he’s going to rough Jr. up in the process, if you read the Scowcroft article. The message is clear: “I’m tired of wiping your ass, boy. Grow up.”
Colin Powell and Ari Fleischer were on Air Force One with Dubya in Africa the week before Novak’s column, so they’d be in a position to say if the Fuckup-in-Chief knew anything about the anti-Wilson effort — and neither has any special reason to cover up for the WH anymore.
“Jesus tapdancing Christ,” this is brilliant. thank you.
I’ve been saying this from the beginning. Cheney’s way is the quiet backstab. Bush’s way is the hissy fit. He planned this smear, he directed this smear, and that’s why it blew up in his drunken face.
BTW: “guy born on third base who thinks he’s hit a triple” was first said by the unsinkable Ann Richards.
Evil Parallel Universe — At this point? I really can’t say. But as time goes on and people decide that going to jail really isn’t as heroic as Judy Miller would like to believe, I think the odds improve dramatically.
Because I truly do think he did know, and over time the chances of that outing I think will be good.
Great post and solid observations, I am rereading Wilson’s book this week, and I am struck by the fact that I wondered if he suspected Ari’s part in the Fair game as well ? Keep up the great work….
It’s obvious Libby would be indicted, from the moment the story about him obsessing over Wilson came from a SAO.
This post might just be preaching to the choir, but a lot of it does ring true, especially on the timings and paternal relations.
Do you think Bush41, through Scowcroft and probably Powell/Armitage/Wilkerson as well, is trying to sacrifice Cheney and Von Rumsfeld to save his son, no matter how much it might not be appreciated?
in a way, the leak is so goddamn stupid that it had to come from bush.
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Jane – What do you think are the odds these days of Preznit being an unindicted co-conspirator? I would say at least 50-50.
Anonymous — It’s odd that Raw Story had the same blurb up, then took it down so fast you could think you imagined it. Wonder what’s up.
And Jane — good stuff!!! I love your work!
For those who haven’t seen, Drudge has a blurb about Libby being indicted.
As a card-carrying citizen of “Wingnutia,” I offer this challenge: I’ll eat my tinfoil hat if Wilson is not “in on” this caper. If I’m right, YOU will eat my tinfoil hat.
Five months later – Jane the prophet!!